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The following message was posted on February 6, 2002 by Gabriele who had received an E-mail from the Fraser's. Congratulations go out to the GOTC webmaster for finally seeing through Mr Fraser and the deception and destruction he was causing on the GOTC forums, as well as via E-mail to the wee group who were involved.

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Gabriele

Beyond Dedicated Poster

Posts: 2026

Registered: Jul 2000 posted 02-06-2002 10:31 AM

I got a message from Neil Fraser, that his and his wife's posting rights have been revoked by SOD.

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Gabriele

GOTCHA

(Now the 'HA' is on you)

TROLLS AND WORSE

We offer here the classic example of a troll and the step above a troll which we are at a loss to affix a name that would properly discribe the action of a person such as the example below.

William Neil Fraser is well known to this writer being a fellow Canadian.

Our paths first crossed in August of 1992 where we were both attending an eleven day event sponsored by the Thistle Club of Montreal

celebrating 350 years in Canada of the Scot's and the French Canadian alliance.

It just so happened that just two months before this event, I had sent my Petition to the Lyon Court, Edinburgh Scotland to be Granted the Arms and Name of Chief of the Clan MacTavish, 26th lineal Heir.

I was representing the name MacTavish at a booth flanked by the name Campbell to the right and Fraser to the left, an intimidating position to one so naive, at the time.

W. Neil Fraser

Beyond Dedicated Poster

Posts: 1452

Registered: June 2000 posted 01-27-2002 08:15 PM

I am astounded that some of the more active participants on the GOTC clan discussion forums have so much difficulty understanding the Queen's English. The word "motivated" is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as follows:

Motivate - verb: 1) to give a motive or incentive to, to be the motive of, "she was motivated by kindness\"; 2) to stimulate the interest of, to inspire.

Motivated - adjective: having a definite and positive desire to do things.

For those who choose to place different interpretations on what I posted at 12:10am Saturday, January 21, 2002, I suggest they obtain a copy of the Oxford dictionary, and learn to use it.

I did not "resign" as Moderator of the GOTC Clan Fraser forum, since I have never been an employee of Sales Online Direct, merely an unpaid volunteer. Without prior notification or comment from anyone at Sales Online Direct, my name was removed as Moderator, and replaced by "Webmaster" on Monday, January 23, 2002.

Many accusations have been posted regarding the insincerity of my intent, oddly, by those who, one might expect, would be thrilled that I decided to cease exposing their delusions, and their abysmal lack of knowledge about Scotland, its history and culture.

I am dismayed that a tiny element of GOTC participants who represent the worst of the Oatmeal Savagery, Tartan Tomfoolery, Brigadoonery, Braveheartery, or whatever other term one might chose to describe those whose knowledge of Scotland is so distorted, are allowed to exert such undue influence over the web administrator / webmaster of Sales Online Direct. I commend one real Scot who was "motivated" to confront the culprits, head on, as Glaswegians tend to do. Those foolish enough to challenge an irritated 6'5" Glaswegian, deserve whatever fate befalls them.

I fully expect that this post will be deleted by the "webmaster", on instructions of the small element seeking to destroy what was once a potentially valuable resource for the exchange of ideas and opinions about our common Scottish heritage. Meanwhile, I continue to lack the motivation to participate, so long as the GOTC clan discussion forums remain hijacked by such a tiny and insignificant element. I have expressed my views to Sales Online Direct. Anyone else wishing to express his/her views on the matter can do so at [email protected]

W. Neil Fraser, Chairman, Clan Fraser Society of Canada, and FORMER Moderator of the GOTC Clan Fraser forum.

Then his wife Marie got involved making a allegation that is a lie.

Marie Fraser

Dedicated Poster

Posts: 287

Registered: Jul 2000 posted 01-27-2002 10:08 PM

quote:

Originally posted by dunardry:

'GOTCA' loud and clear.

To set the record straight for some of the misguided followers of one individual, who invaded the old GOTC Clan Fraser discussion forum with provocative posts in November 1998; the threatening phone call I received from Edward Stewart MacTavish from Florida, was followed by a message posted under his 'dunardry' signature, dated 12/3/98 (December 3, 1998), acknowleding the call and selected matters discussed. Printouts of that post and others on GOTC, as well as the Florida phone number, duly recorded at the time of the call, were sent to appropriate parties, at that time. Those who seek to deny such facts, and have attempted to damage our reputation with a joint letter suggesting that the call could not have been made from Florida, should be aware that we have a copy of their letter. In fact, my husband has a large file of letters from the past, which he has so far chosen to treat with discretion.

BTW - the word is spelled "GOTCHA" a.k.a. GOTC(HA)!

dunardry

Moderator

Posts: 708

Registered: Jun 2000 posted 01-27-2002 11:49 PM

Words are cheap. Proof, proof, less talk. You referred to the phone call your husband related to in a rather weak attempt to discredit me saying it came from Florida, (my name was not mention as it is now) but the insinuation was clear. His post showed the date which was before I moved to Florida. So Ms Fraser, lets call you and your husband on this. I say you cannot produce what you say you can. I ask you to put up, and lets see if you are talking truth. I say you cannot. The only call I made to you in Toronto was to speak to your husband about how silly it is to continue the personal thing we had going dating back to 1992. (which I pointed out on the board last week and it was removed far to quickly). I have it and I will post it again in an area that it will not be deleted. I also called you people after I found out that Laudine Apple had called you and you gave her trash, again, words nothing with truth. So I call you on this latest allegation. Less talk, you say you have phone records, then it should not be too hard to prove you are being honest. Failure to do so will let everyone know whether you are to be trusted or not. I know, as you do, you can't show what you are saying you can. I invite you to prove your case.

By the way, if I had spelt it the way your husband did in the post he put on the Campbell board I would be accused of following. I do not have to copy or follow. Lord knows, you know that. I am surprised you did not mention the letter Lady Saltoun received. I was sure we would hear about that sooner or later.

I have received lots of E-mails from people telling me to thank your husband for the Queens English lesson. I think they have called Amazon to purchase such a dictionary. So I will leave you with this last word, GOTCA,

Webmaster. Please note, my original post was telling Mr Fraser , saying to him that we hear him loud and clear. This attack by Ms Fraser is nothing more than an attack. I do hope you will consider that should your attention be drawn to it..

W. Neil Fraser

Beyond Dedicated Poster

Posts: 1452

Registered: Jun 2000 posted 01-28-2002 12:11 AM

quote:

Originally posted by dunardry:

Words are cheap. Proof, proof, less talk. You referred to the phone call your husband related to in a rather weak attempt to discredit me saying it came from Florida, (my name was not mention as it is now) but the insinuation was clear. His post showed the date which was before I moved to Florida. So Ms Fraser, lets call you and your husband on this. I say you cannot produce what you say you can. I ask you to put up, and lets see if you are talking truth. I say you cannot. The only call I made to you in Toronto was to speak to your husband about how silly it is to continue the personal thing we had going dating back to 1992. (Which I pointed out on the board last week and it was removed far to quickly). I have it and I will post it again in an area that it will not be deleted. I also called you people after I found out that Laudine Apple had called you and you gave her trash, again, words nothing with truth. So I call you on this latest allegation. Less talk, you say you have phone records, then it should not be too hard to prove you are being honest. Failure to do so will let everyone know whether you are to be trusted or not. I know, as you do, you can't show what you are saying you can. I invite you to prove your case.

Mr. MacTavish,

I have nothing to prove to you. I am prepared to match my credibilty against yours any day.

Then Mr Fraser, we will all expect to see you back up your words. I back up mine, now it's your turn. Of course, if you cannot, then I suppose that is why you are getting yourself and your wife out of the predicament you talked yourself into by making allegations that YOU CANNOT BACK UP. The allegations you have made are libelous and against the law should they be accurate. They are international threats. Mr Fraser, come on now, anyone who has followed these boards for awhile realize only too well that your dislike of this fellow Canadian is very intense. If you had ANYTHING that you could prove, you would have done it long ago. To back out as you appear to be doing, with the following statement:

"Mr MacTavish

I have nothing to prove to you. I am prepared to match my credibilty against yours any day".

I suggest Mr Fraser, that day is now. Let me digress at this point with a page I take from you book.

(Mr Fraser, I hope you creditability is better than your spelling of the word, (credibilty). I know, small point, but as I said I took the page from your book. That dictionary must have the spelling for that word as it had the meaning of motivate/motivation) which you were quick to teach others.

But you are right, you don't have to prove anything to me Mr Fraser, I know you! I think though you now have something to prove to the people who don't know you and may take what you say as fact. Prove to them Mr Fraser.

Your failure to do this will proves that your word in not to be taken seriously. Too bad for a man of your position with the clan and the representative of the Chief Lady Saltoun in Canada. So then Mr Fraser, we will all expect to see you back up your allegations that I, Dugald MacTavish telephoned your wife and threatened her on a long distance call from Florida, which you have the records. Strong allegations Mr Fraser, calls like this are a criminal offense. Everyone knows that I back up my words, now its your turn. Of course, you cannot, can you?

WEBMASTER: The allegations by this person breaks the rules of the GOTC boards. I respectfully request that he and his wife be banned from the GOTC boards until they apologize for these libelous allegations that cannot be and will not be backed up.

Mr Fraser, you and your wife talked yourself into this present situation by making allegations that YOU CANNOT BACK UP. The allegation you have made are libelous and against the law Due the persistance you have displayed basicly since I met you in Montreal, I now feel that you have crossed the libe and I will now expose you for what you are. You and your wife have brought this on yourselves.

But one thing you are right about is the statement y, "Mr MacTavish I don't have to prove anything to you". Mr fraser, remember, I know you, I think though you now have something to prove to the people who don't know you and may take what you say as fact. Prove to them Mr Fraser..

Failure to do this will

"prove that your word in not to be taken seriously. Too bad for a man of your position with the clan Fraser and the representative of the Chief Lady Saltoun in Canada..

tis very poor PR Mr Fraser, very poor.

Let me now post a couple more posts by Mr Fraser, in April of 2001. One will see just how 'small' this man can be in his determination to make himself look bigger.

(1) W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 04-21-2001 08:42 AM

Chief MacTavish is miffed. It seems that the Court of the Lord Lyon, King of Arms, has stated it does not recognise Clann MacTamhais, nor do its senior officials condone the decision by "dunardry" to arbitrarily include the surname Thom(p)son, clearly absent from Edward MacTavish's Petition and the Lord Lyon's Warrant dated 23 July 1997 recognising the Petitioner "for ought yet seen" as Chief of the Clan MacTavish. Granted by original Letters Patent on 17th April 1793, these arms had been confirmed to Lachlan MacTavish "and the Heirs-male of his body", meaning that only male descendants of Lachlan MacTavish had the right to claim to succeed to the MacTavish of Dunardry arms. Chief MacTavish has since extended his umbrella to embrace the surnames Campbell and Fraser, among others, as septs of his clan.

It has been mildly interesting to observe this individual since I met him in Montreal in 1992. However, his actions have become embarrassing to watch, and his latest prank has become personal.

For the same reason that I have never felt a burning desire to post to the GOTC MacTavish discussion board(s), I did not bother to keep up with the "History of the great Clann MacTamhais (MacTavish/Thom(p)son Worldwide)" until my attention was drawn to his web site in a personal attack entitled "Lolly's Folly".

There, in blazing lights, is an ominous forecast of the imminent appearance of a "Clan Fraser splinter group". What is not mentioned is that "Clan Simidh, Rebels of Lovat" represents a militant group of individuals in Scotland and Australia, with racist tendancies and a taste for "hot Scottish lassies", who have been around for some time. They are not rebelling against Clan Fraser or Clan Fraser of Lovat but, rather, are waging a personal attack against the Lovat Fraser family who endured more than their share of tragedies in recent years; as well as ridiculing the actions of pseudo-Scots like Chief MacTavish.

I trust that all visitors to the GOTC Clan Fraser board in general, and the new owners of this wonderful Scottish discussion forum in particular, will understand my decision to completely ignore Chief MacTavish of Dunardry in future. Thank you.

W. Neil Fraser, Chairman, Clan Fraser Society of Canada

IP: 142.194.184.196

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 04-29-2001 03:05 PM

I am one of three moderators appointed at the outset of the new GOTC - UBB clan discussion boards in July 2000. I have never been suspended, nor have I arbitrarily deleted any topic or post, save two that were blatantly commercial.

I have already expressed my opinion about the wisdom of the new owners of GOTC in reintating the privileges of two moderators, previously suspended for abuse of authority. Sadly, the two immediately resumed the exact actions which led to their suspension, and one continues to abuse that authority. It seems that the other offender is now unable to participate on GOTC, due to lack of access to the Intenet, for quite different reasons.

I assure those who post to the Clan Fraser board that, provided they follow the GOTC House Rules at the top of each message board, I will not delete or edit any post, no matter how much I may disagree with their views. Healthy discussion should be free and open to all shades of opinion. As moderator, I may disgree with them, but I do not consider it appropriate to censor any post, nor to edit the content to change the meaning to suit my views.

I make this statement in the hope that all who read it will condemn what is happening on one clan discussion board, and take the time to advise GOTC accordingly, as I have done.

W. Neil Fraser, Chairman, Clan Fraser Society of Canada; and Moderator of the GOTC Clan Fraser discussion board.

IP: 142.194.181.232

padams

Moderator posted 04-29-2001 07:35 PM

padams

Moderator posted 04-29-2001 07:35 PM

Mr. Fraser: The post below was posted on 4/23/2001. The error was mine in misspelling your name. I do apologize for that. :-) I realize that you read the MacTavish board and keep up on postings. I didn't want you to think the post was intended for someone else due to my misspelling your name; thus the reposting and the opportunity to give you a chance to reply. :-)

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posted 04-23-2001 07:31 AM

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I have just heard from Chief Dunardry, who is attending the Loch Norman games as published last week. Upon hearing about your post on the Clan Fraser board in the folder entitled, "Reply to Chief MacTavish of Dunardry" (prior to your post, folder last used 1/21/2002). I have been instructed by the Chief to post the following:

Mr. Fraser:

Regarding malicious posts such as you have put in the subject folder on Saturday, April 21st (I believe you were well aware that I would be out of contact at a games)....

I would like to pass this to you ... I would strongly suggest that unless you are ready to post your sources (of these "senior officials" of the Lyon Court, whom you say "It seems that the Court of the Lord Lyon, King of Arms, has stated it does not recognise Clann MacTamhais, nor do its senior officials condone the decision by "dunardry" to arbitrarily include the surname Thom(p)son") in this same folder, you make it abundantly clear that these thoughts are "your" thoughts. If you do have communications from senior officials of the Lyon Court, I would strongly advise you put that source.

This is exactly the type of action - backbiting and childish behavior - that has gone on in the MacTavish, Campbell and Fraser Discussion Board forums for almost two years. I see no reason whatsoever that you should be involved in any way.

In regards to your comments on "Clan Simidh" that I posted on our "Wanna-be" section, I see no statement by me - pro or con - in regards to this "splinter group". I also see no inference to Neal W. Fraser. Could it be, Mr. Fraser, that you know something about this "splinter group and yourself" that I am not fully aware of. But, I do not appreciate the innuendo, based on the fact that your name is not mentioned, for you to assume that it is aimed at you - unless, of course, as I have just said, you know something that we are not fully aware of.

In your reference to "Lolly's Folly", as you are well aware, Mr. Fraser, this lady in 1996/1997 was in contact with you more than once in her attempt to find what she could to use against myself and my Clan. I have read some of her statements, knowing full well that you were very obliging to give her informtion as you saw it. I have not said anything to you or about you in regards to this as I felt it was immaterial of your thoughts and beliefs. However, when you assume to put a post as you have, making statements about the senior officials of the Court of the Lord Lyon and not having the courage or decency to state your source instead of a blanket statement such as you have done, it is one of the reasons why there has been so much trouble on the DISCribe boards.

Also, your recent statement that you were not going to post any more until the new owners came to a decision about myself and Ms. Adams having been reinstated as moderators on the MacTavish board - I realize that you had a small part to play in pressuring George Butters while he wasstill owner of DISCribe to withdraw moderator capabilities from Ms. Adams and myself. I know the reinstatement upset you and led to your threat of not posting any more. I am also very pleased that my reply on the MacTavish board induced you (or Mrie) to post and get it started again.

This type of action of your past post is not the actions of what a Chairman of Clan Fraser should do.

For your information, I shall be back at my computer on Wednesday (April 25th) and can assure you that if you wish me to see any further posts by you, I will watch for them. I do sincerely hope that you will stick to your conclusion as stated: "I shall ignore Chief Dugald MacTavish". It's too bad you did not adopt that before you took this last backhanded shot.

So, Mr. Fraser, I have been accused by some people of not acting like a Chief; and, of course, those people have every right to their view. My view is: I would not be a Chief if I do not defend my name, my honour, my Clan and my Clansmen. So I say this to you ... I am calling you out to state your names and sources or else make an addition to your post that this is only your words and your thoughts. Failure to do this, Mr. Fraser, will force me to start acting toward you the way you have acted toward me since 1992 when we first met. Whether I sound or act or even look like a Chief is not the important thing. The important thing is that Sir Malcolm Innes of Edingight on 23 July 1997 (after five long years of delving and checking out my petition and my evidence), in his position as the King of Heraldry, saw fit to matriculate me. You and people like you have no right to inter that the high position of a Lord Lyon, King of Arms, either made a mistake, has not checked me out thoroughly, or was embarrassed by his decision. To me, the embarrassment is people who make posts such as what you have done.

I am sure you will be hearing from me in the future, whether it be in regards to your actions or my inquiries to the Court of the Lord Lyon. You will notice that I do this openly, in an open folder, addressed to you personally and straight out.

Dunardry

IP: 64.12.102.176

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 04-30-2001 06:16 PM

Gabriele,

I appreciate your opinion, but do not entirely agree with it. Where we differ is that I do not consider the Clan Fraser board "mine", nor does it represent "Clan Fraser". This entire site belongs to the owners of GOTC, and the statement at the top of each board that all registered users are entitled to post, subject only to the House Rules clearly stated at the top of each board, should guide us all. I do not feel that any topic or post should be deleted or edited, provided that the House Rules are followed, no matter how much the opinion of the poster may differ from mine, as moderator.

I firmly believe that the distorted opinions of those who cannot see the true nature of their obsession, are apparent to anyone reading their posts. I believe that a policy of censorship and arbitrary deletion or editing by a moderator is wrong, and allowing that practice to continue could eventually destroy this entire forum.

My information as to why one of the moderators is currently unable to post differs from the explanation offered elsewhere. My understanding is that AOL removed access to the Internet for alleged violation of protocol, and telephone service was also cancelled due to documented evidence of a series of harassing phone calls made to a woman in Maryland, recorded and traced to the phone number of the alleged culprit.

These are not isolated incidents, and I can state that Marie received such a harassing phone call from Florida, threatening legal action, after she responded to a series of provocative posts on the old Clan Fraser board. When the threat failed, it was followed up with a post on the Clan Fraser board on 12/3/98.

Having been subjected to genuine death threats on several occasions during my career in labour negotiations, I merely followed the advice of the two police forces investigating the situation, and my calls were then monitored by the police and traced. They did not suggest that I have my phone disconnected, nor that I should have the number changed.

I would really prefer to get back to exploring Scottish history and culture as, I am sure, would most of the other participants on GOTC.

Neil

IP: 142.194.188.109

Fraser was mad about my post to him.

"My information as to why one of the moderators is currently unable to post differs from the explanation offered elsewhere. My understanding is that AOL removed access to the Internet for alleged violation of protocol, and telephone service was also cancelled due to documented evidence of a series of harassing phone calls made to a woman in Maryland, recorded and traced to the phone number of the alleged culprit."

That is a lie. And - You know it. The person who said it knows it. And - you - the representative of a Chief of a Highland Clan. You are embarrassing as a representative of a Scottish Clan.

This is an absolute lie. Since you like to go around making these accusations, Mr. Fraser, let's see the proof. What? Don't have any? Gee, I wonder why?

Who do you think you are to bring this type of trash to these forums, then point a finger at others?

Lies, Mr. Fraser. And - you are carrying them on.

Patricia Adams

Clann MacTamhais

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 05-01-2001 07:35 AM

The foregoing post is a personal attack on me, clearly grounds for deleting it. However, I prefer to leave it in place to illustrate the actions of a moderator who should be removed from GOTC.

That it uses my name may well constitute defamation of character, and would be cause for legal action.

Since there is no Clan MacTamhais, the individual posting the message is acting on her own behalf, and is therefore personally liable and open to litigation.

I stand behind anything I have posted under this topic, or I would not have posted it.

W. Neil Fraser, Chairman, Clan Fraser Society of Canada; and Moderator GOTC Clan Fraser board.

IP: 142.194.190.229

Mr.Fraser

You did state to me to read the rules..What I don't

understand is why is there such a two bladed sword

here.You have insulted people in other forums and in

truth your little groupies have so more than I could

ever do.....I want to know who or what authority gave

you or Mr.Slocombe the right to insult me? Just cause

I have a different opinon then you and your groupies,

what gives all of you right to insult me....Hmm Here

Jacobite here Jacobite,or Romantic or

Revisionist?...Mr Slocombe has insulted me, my

ancesters,( the ones that were Jacobites were fools)

my state,(the Voting scandal...remember the retired

people who can play ten hands of Bingo but not vote)

my country,(Numerous times on many occasions) my

president....and for some reason thats

ok? Please explain why? .....Mr.Slocombe compared

people to animals, I among them..gave a flimsy apology

then wrote how everyone could see it in the private

chat room,and how to get the password....If the

apology was for real that cute little statement never

would have been there...And no one said anything.And

why is it on virtually every locked thread

Mr.Slocombe's name appears? And still no one said

anything.......Can you please tell me and the rest of

the people who can think for themselves...Was it

God,the Queen Mum,or the people at Discribe that spoke

to you and the groupies authorising the use of

belittlement and insults to people? Exactly who did

it?...If there really is a Ultimate being who did I

will not write another word in these forums.....Thats

a promise...I keep my words unlke my buddy when the

webmaster jumped him.....he stopped and promised he

wouldn't ever again funny though he is still

around....Guess he can't pass up hiding behind a

keyboard. Can you please answer these questions

Mr.Fraser? And what does constitute a unresearched

website? Thats an opion isn't it? Or are these people

judge and jury on this one too?........I know you will

probably delete it all. In all fairness could you

please answer the questions first?

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator of

"Clan Fraser"

Posts: 1437

Registered: Jun 2000 posted 01-11-2002 12:52 PM

Gabriele,

Since your new-found "friends", who seem to have taken over another forum, and refuse to visit the Fraser forum where they might learn something about Scottish history, you may consider using the opening post of this thread on the forum where it appears to be needed most.

Neil

JANUARY 19 2002

Author

Topic: It Has Been Fun, Folks

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 04-04-2001 04:12 PM

I agreed to serve as moderator of the GOTC Clan Fraser discussion board in July 2000, shortly after the new UBB system was introduced. Since that time, I have never been suspended, nor would I do anything that might cause such an action to even be considered. Contrary to popular belief, I have had no contact with the most recent owners of DISCscribe or their administrator, and have no knowledge of their plans for the GOTC site. I have carried on doing what I considered the boards were intended for - the exploration of Scottish history and culture.

In light of the apparent decision by the new owners of DISCscribe, as carried out by a phantom "Administrator" who appeared only once to reinstate the privileges of two suspended moderators before disappearing in a puff of smoke, I am no longer motivated to participate on the GOTC clan discussion boards.

I want to thank all of you for having taken the time to share your knowledge and experience by posting to the Clan Fraser board. I truly hope that it is not possible for a few individuals to destroy a forum that has the potential to bring together thousands of people to exchange views in constructive debate about their common Scottish heritage.

It appears that the new owners are Sales Online Direct, Inc., 4 Brussels St., Worcester, MA 01610 and the e-mail address used by Maureen Elliott [email protected] coincides with other e-mail addresses for officials of that company whose web site is http://www.paid.com

In the circumstances, I prefer to wait until an announcement is made regarding the future of the GOTC discussion boards before posting again.

IP: 142.194.181.138

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 04-04-2001 04:12 PM

In the circumstances, I prefer to wait until an announcement is made regarding the future of the GOTC discussion boards before posting again.

IP: 142.194.181.138

posted 01-19-2002 12:10 AM

To The Frasers -

Barry; Brett; Douglas; Fred; imat 12; James E; Jonathon; Judy; Lovat; Steven; Steven J;

Friends of the Frasers -

Alan S; Alasdair; An Diabhul; Andy; Bob M; Bobby T; Brian; Bruce McC; Charles S; Chuck S; Dan McD; Debera; Dixon; D.J. MacL; Dugar; Ewan T; Fide; Gabriele; Gail McT P; George C; Gogs; Hibee; Ian B; Ileana; Jamie McD; Jane; Jennifer; Lisa T; Liz; Marcy; Michael G; Philip T; Reiver; Roddy K. MacD; Roxanna; Sally; Sloane MacD; Taylor MacD; Terry; Thomas C; Mr Tom; WGH;

And Current & Former GOTC Moderators -

John Fairbairn; Stephanie; T.A. Bruce; Lin Robinson.

I apologize to any other "non-sustaining members" I may have missed, or whose posts may have been arbitrarily deleted.

Since the GOTC discussion forums were converted to the UBB system in June 2000, I have enjoyed serving as the volunteer moderator for the Clan Fraser forum, and posting occasionally to some others, particularly the Guid Auld Scotch Drink forum.

The opportunity to exchange information with such a diverse group of people has been educational, which I feel is one of the great potential strengths of this type of medium. Sadly, a very small element does not appreciate or share that view, and I need not elaborate further.

In light of recent decisions by the current owners of GOTC, to whom I have expressed my disagreement, Marie and I no longer feel motivated to participate on these forums.

It's been fun.

Neil and Marie

IP: Logged

Please note, this was just 9 months ago that Mr Fraser wanted the two moderators removed from the Clan MacTavish board. Mr Fraser returned on his board within two days. Not that a similar action by Mr Fraser and a few 'friends] appear to be once again, determined to 'have their way' by threading to leave these forums while at the same time, declaring 'freedom of speech'. I have made only one post on the Fraser board in the past year, you may remember that I added it to your post re the illness of Mr Fraser brother, it was deleted, I then posted another, it follows...

dunardry

Moderator posted 05-16-2001 06:05 PM

quote:

Originally posted by Gabriele:

(this is what I added to yours),

Neil,

sorry to hear about your brother.

________________________________________)_

Our previous post was deleted, never thinking that it was deleted, after all, is was sincere condolences, we posted the following,

We Also are sorry to hear of your brothers situation.

Dunardry

Again, it was deleted. It was really hard to understand what would prompt this.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if this appears that the Mactavishes are 'taking over a board, so be it.

Now you say that Lin Robinson resigned due to the board being taken over by MacTAVISHES. I have posted 4 times in the past year on the Gunn board. All to Scone or Robert thanking them for their articles. Mr Robinson post once on his moderated board to me, which I did not answer for fear of causing trouble.

IF this is taking over a board, so be it.

I must say that unfortunately, the post by Mr Fraser last April, along with the post of 12:10 AM this day, and taking into consideration of the actions of a few, (including your post yesterday on the Gunn board) seems to imply a well orchestrated plan of action. Could these types of posts turn a forum into a battlefield? If there is any truth to this, it is a sad day indeed for us all.

THIS IS REPEAT PICK ONE.

W. Neil Fraser

Moderator

posted 04-30-2001 06:16 PM

Gabriele,

I would really prefer to get back to exploring Scottish history and culture as, I am sure, would most of the other participants on GOTC.

Neil

IP: 142.194.188.109

Mr Fraser is well known in many circles. He has a unique way of making people dislike him due to the fact that Mr Fraser is a classic example of a very self-centered indidividual. Over the years, Mt fraser has... To continur