Zaurus Chat September 1997 (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) God Morning Kits (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) , Thank you for the files, I learned a lot from them (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Eindelijk tekes van levenWell her it is late evening bo (Tibor Kun) I have to go, but am recording. BRB (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Well Good Evening to Kits then. and welcome. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Thanks Tibor, what are you doing? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Tibor enjoyed your homepage (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Kits, I enjoyed your thoughts about the SHARP WinCE, and the power Zaurus, when (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) do you think that we will see it here in a US version? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) BTW. I think that you are probably right that the Power Z is a "high-powered" Z (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) aurus... (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Definitely , possibly a whole family of Zauri some running Win CE 2.0 OTHERS RUNNING sYNERGY 2.0 (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) The best news IMHO is if SHARP really have started creating new units which will (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) work in all markets. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Yes the Power Zaurus is SHARPS answer to the MP2K FROM Newton (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ...Am I right when I think that SHARP also is manufacturing the MP2000? User User ID Nod Area Name ---- ------------- --- -------- ------------------- 6 110072,2656 DDC Rm 3 Tibor T. Kun 7 106016,3614 DJA Rm 3 Arent Kits van Heij 10 75300,2517 KRT Rm 3 Bo Lorentzen (Sysop (Tibor Kun) Glad you like it, Kits. Work stuff, Bo. BRB again.... (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) They have to , think only all those expat japanese and from there to the local markets is only a small step with such a powerful device (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Kits, The OS on the MI-500.. How open is it really, can we expect to see people (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) porting excisting software to the MI-500? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) well SHARP DOES make the MP2K and a Zaurus running NOS 2.1 IS POSSIBLY IN THE WINGS TOO (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Where did you get the part about a Z running Newton OS 2? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) No the new OS IS MORE RELATED TO wIN ce and NOS than the current SYNERGY (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Hypotheses , no single OS can fullfill all palmtop needs and there is a huge library of (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Kits. what does that mean for us users? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) legacy apps (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Global units No LONGER separate US and German versions (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) ... (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) . (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) So the only difference in versions would be like having a UK extension in the sy (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) stems folder? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Yes (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Very Cool. I can't wait to get one. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Unfortunately I hope that it will not make tooo big a dent in my buget. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Bilingual japanese /english interface (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) .. (Tibor Kun) Whw,back! (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) KIts, if they use screen images for the buttons, that will mean that they do not (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) have to reprint any of the screens at al. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Expect a $1000 list price in the US/EU MARKETS (Tibor Kun) Ouch! PC's can cost that little! User User ID Nod Area Name ---- ------------- --- -------- ------------------- 6 110072,2656 DDC Rm 3 Tibor T. Kun 7 106016,3614 DJA Rm 3 Arent Kits van Heij 10 75300,2517 KRT Rm 3 Bo Lorentzen (Sysop (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Hello again Tibor, we are just chatting about the MI-500 series, I am very excit (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ed about the posibilities, and Kits ahve been explaning to me some of the stuff (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) he have learned about those units. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) But a pc you cant put in your pocket (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ... But PC's do not fit in your pocket and run off AA batteries. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ...Where is every body today, must be the sun I guess. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Power Zaurus runs off rechargeable lithiums (Tibor Kun)They sound, from forum posts, to be really cool!True abou the pocket and AA's, but I already have a unit that does that ...Oh no, the phone again ... (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) (Tibor Kun) I love it when they don't answer .. Rechargeable lithiums? They exist? That's a major step in batteries! (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Whers' Scott ? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ... This is too bad when nobody shows for a chat, except for the cool core. (Tibor Kun) Yeah, what you said, Bo (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Yes but hey do not fit in todays Zauri (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) KIts, I have been trying to invite him for a chat for a long time, but I think t (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) hat he is trying to have a famely life durring the weekends. (Tibor Kun) So they aren't AA's? Will it have a built in charging circuit? That would rule. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Yes it has a build in charger (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Tibor, I still am supriced that the current Z don"t have a option to charge batt (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) eries internally while connected to a AS power source. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Hello Clifton, how is life? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Well i MEANT THA OTHER sCOTT , THE GUY FROM ruppsoft (Tibor Kun) Very nifty! PDA's are by far and away the most useful computers around, and the Zaurus line has always been the most well thought out. (3-2,clifton swanson) I'm fine...I am surprised that you remember me...or do you? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) But ofcause, we had a long series of e-mails a while ago. (3-2,clifton swanson) I've been here all along, following the forum...just not participating much. (Tibor Kun) I don't know you Clifton, but welcome! (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Kits, now you mention it, I am also suppriced that Scott Glasglow is not here to (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) day, he is normaly here or sends someone else to be here. (Tibor Kun) I'd really like to hear what Rupp has to say. They usually really know their stuff. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Clifton, you are very welcome, all forums is mainly build on a large group of us (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ers who read the forums, and they are very much appriciated. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) What a pity as he 's the guy who has to develop those cool apps for us (Tibor Kun) Kits, Bo, any good URL's I should add to my homepage? (3-2,clifton swanson) Like everyone, I'm curious about the new Power Zaurus. Especially since my 5800 went belly-up a couple of months ago. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Possibly next time Well I can mail you my bookmark files (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Kits. I am sure that they are already working on the first ones, have you notic (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ed how they all of a sudden quit announcing more software for the Z... I am sure (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) that they did not send all the programmers home, they must be hard at work writ (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ing software for something they can not tell us about.. Don't you think so? (Tibor Kun) That would be great!, Kits! (Tibor Kun) This kinda puts a damper on the Bronto-browser, huh guys? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Clifton, the Power Z seems to be a real winner, it have a very powerful processo (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) r, color screen and internet browser, spreadsheets, wordporcessor, and ofcause a (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ll the PIM and linking we have come to love from the Zaurus. (3-2,clifton swanson) Here is my specific question... (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) I shall try when ilog off Iam still connected to the UNIX BOX AND can open PINE and mail them to you tkun@mpsi.net is that ok (Tibor Kun) That is perfect. Thanks, Kits. (Tibor Kun) BRB (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Tibor... What Bronto browser. If they come out with it right now, I will st (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ill pay money for it, however when I get closer to a Power Zaurus I will probabl (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) y wait for that one. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Because that s what I have in the PINE Adressbook (3-2,clifton swanson) ooops.. When I took the 5800 to England, I could just dial Compuserve over there and have easy access to e-mail. I have no other (3-2,clifton swanson) experience with e-mail, but if the power Z doesn't have Compuserve built in, will there be a way to access Compuserve? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) I am still somewhat interested in seeing the SHARP WinCE, it must be running Win (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Ce 2.0? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Bo , in the light of the vast contribution to the forum and the Zaurus case can you arrange a Colour Z FOR ME ? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Clifton, yes you can access via terminal, and hopefully they will offer a COmpuS (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) erve port of what we have now for the US version, the Japaneese version have Nif (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) tyServe, which I believe is related to CompuServe (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Yes you can CompuServe through telnet just as I am doing now (Tibor Kun) MPSi.Net works great. Goes straight to my PC, where I work on my webpage. (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) Hello everyone. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Kits... You mean in light of the wast amounts of HTML infested messages I have e (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ither had to move or ignore. (3-2,clifton swanson) Bo: I know that you can access through Terminal, but I am totally uninterested in that. It is too crude for today's way of doing (3-2,clifton swanson) things in my opinion. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Well Jim je valt met je neus in de boter jongen (Tibor Kun) Hi Jim (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) Did I miss a new Z announcement? (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) YES you missed A VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT WHILE ON HOLIDAY (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Clifton, Yeah I tend to agree with you about that, I really hope that SHARP will (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) put a CompuServe software on the Power Zaurus, otherwise I fear that a lot of u (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) sers will move directly to using internet e-mail and web-browser. (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) Yeah, right. Tell me, Kits. (Tibor Kun) Shoulda used Z-Travel, Jim! tisk tisk tisk (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ...And a lot of the staff here wil probably folow in their fodsteps. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ...Hello and welcome Jim. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) well thers a new zAURUS COMING UP IN THE GLOBAL MARKETS (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) Tibor, no link from Cancun jungles. :) (Tibor Kun) Wow! Jungles! Sounds like a good holiday! (3-2,clifton swanson) Bo...is it possible to pick up e-mail through some other source while in a far-off land. I would think that subscribing to a local (3-2,clifton swanson) e-mail provider wouldn't be any good for me if I went to London. (Tibor Kun) Clifton, that faraway thing is why I have CSi. I really hope, like you do, that there is CSi software for it. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Clifton, you would want to keep your CompuServe access, and have a POP3 email bo (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) x also, right now CompuServe is working hard on offering POP3, and they will pro (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) bably have that for you when the Poewr Zaurus hits the market here. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Jim ,compuserve is moving towards internet ptotocols so they have to implement an olr that works through the ascii interface (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) When will that be, Bo? (Tibor Kun) Do you guys have any info on this CSi being sold stuff? (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) Not me (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) If CompuServe offers POP3 you will be able to use CompuServe for internet access (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) , and e-mial from anywhere CompuServe is avaliable. (3-2,clifton swanson) Tibor...That's my point. I hope so too. If it does...I'll buy the first one off the boat. I really loved my 5800. If you were (3-2,clifton swanson) me, would you buy a Damark just to fill the gap, or would you wait for the new one? (probably an impossible question!) (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Iexpect a release around 4q in US and 3q 1998 in eu (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ...Jim, that is NDA, check the sysop forum. (Tibor Kun) Does POP mean HTML email as well? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Tibor YES. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) POP 3 will be one of the very important moves for COmpuServe in the near future. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) YES it does and Power Zaurus supports it through MIME (Tibor Kun) Clifton, I could not go very long w/o my Z. I would have to or perish . But since I have one, I may wait a while forbefore upgrading. (Tibor Kun) Bo, very cool! Now the new Z just has to be able get it ... (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) A public POP 3 beta is now in progress (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Tibor, the new Zaurus, have a very cool e-mail software, I am positive about tha (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) t! (Tibor Kun) Excellent, Kits! (Tibor Kun) Bo, I'l just have faith! (3-2,clifton swanson) It seems to me that Sharp will have to be very competitive, so much is happening these days. So I tend to have confidence that the (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Tibor, that is a great place to start, God is always there for you, atleast that (3-2,clifton swanson) Power Z will be able to do what I want. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) works for me. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Plain text athentication is now seriously considered for the palmtop markets contact bob from the mailtest forum about it (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Clifton, I think that you are right, everything I have read about the power Zaur (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) us mave impressed me a lot. (Tibor Kun) Well, I'm unhurt despite a nasty car wreck, Bo, so ... (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) . (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Well that is a lot of periods. (Tibor Kun) Hey Kits, what you said! (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) It is to keep the modem awake otherwise it disconnects after 180 seconds S30=18 (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Arent, thank you for taking timeto explain a lot of the tecnical stuff about the (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Power Z to me. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) no thanks (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Kleine moeite zo gebeurd (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) feel free to upload the stuff you find, but please clean it up first.... (Tibor Kun) D - $[C$[C eh, oops. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ...So it was no burden? Well gut. (Tibor Kun) EDefinition of Kits: Online Information Encyclopedia. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) You know I have not heard any "new" Zaurus questions in a long time, that must m (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ean that it is time for a more advanced Zaurus (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Well I had made a disk dump and for the sake of speed I mailed it straight off the disk as an attachment in order to have it complete int (Tibor Kun) Hey Kits, do you know if the new Z will still have that aweful 16K limit in Documents? (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Yeah I know... Please don't do that because I tecnically have to remove that stu (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) ff. (3-3,Jim Christian (Syso) Well, gotta go and unpack. Bo, I'll call ya'. (Tibor Kun) Nice talkin' to ya, Jim. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) OK, Jim take care, it is great to have you back. User User ID Nod Area Name ---- ------------- --- -------- ------------------- 3 74777,2604 ZAS Rm 3 Jim Christian (Syso 6 110072,2656 DDC Rm 3 Tibor T. Kun 7 106016,3614 DJA Rm 3 Arent Kits van Heij 10 75300,2517 KRT Rm 3 Bo Lorentzen (Sysop (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) 16 k limits in Docs I hope that they have now a workaround for this (Tibor Kun) Mee too. Like editable straight from .rtf (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) The 16k limit must have disapeared by now. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) One of my bigger concerns is if there will be a Mac DEU, and if not, if there is (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) a option to move data and backup via a LAN or the web. (Tibor Kun) Book reading would be much easier w/o. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Qua hardware the Power Zaurus is equal to the next generation of WinCE (Tibor Kun) Yeah, 'cause they're adding color support to CE now. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) yOU WILL HAVE TO INSTALL SoftWindows on your mac pc (Tibor Kun) Bo, I may disappear soon, so you may have to record the rest. Running on empty w/batteries at home w/AC adaptor. Shoulda included in brei breifcase. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Arent, that is becomming a very high need, however it is also tempting me to jum (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) p to next generation of the MP2000 if it comes out with color screen. (3-7,Arent Kits van Heij) Byproduct of color :Black on white text and bright backlight (Tibor Kun) Byproduct of backlight ... battery drain. (3-10,Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) Thanks Tibor, Just goahead and quit the download now, so you don't loose it. Well, Bo, I was at that moment reading your message ... and thank *you* for reading this transcript of the Zaurus forum's monthly chat. Following the record's end we continued to chat. Shortly Bo announced that "for the record" the chat was officially over. Unfortunately, there was no longer a record being kept. We stuck and around and chatted on. We had joy. We had fun. We even had a few short seasons in the sun. Then I decided to bug out before my Zaurus's low batteries did it for me and Kai showed up as I left. Funny thing, timing... And speaking of which, next *time* we hope you stop by to join in the festivities! Because hey, all the "cool" people do it... Have a nice day! - Tibor (ZR-5800FX + AutoPilot)