05-Oct-96  10:14:19
Sb: #65619-Sending Binary Files
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Dennis G. Etchells 75010,2760

Hello Dennis

Yes you can do that with Z-em@il, and you can send binary files to people on
CompuServe.... You *can* also send a binary file out, but the trick is to use
X-400 mail instead.  THis is a cool little process, You should ask Calvin Wong
about how it works.  This is a feature supported by both your Zaurus and
CompuServe, BUT it requires you knowing what you are doing. <g>

    Bo

#: 65815 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    07-Oct-96  09:37:43
Sb: #65514-Z-em@il
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222

>>    In its *current* configuration, (knowing full well that it
>>might  change before being made available to the hoi poloi)
>>can Z-Em@il be loaded into Main memory of a 5000, if not, will
>>it fit on a 1mg SRAM card, or would I need another Flash card?

As it stands right now, yes it will. It currently used under 250k.....

We also believe when it ships that you will be able to use it on SRAM and
Flash cards. We are testing this now.

Regards,
Scott Glasgow
sglasgow@rupp.com
Rupp Technology Corporation
Sales: 800-844-7775 or 602-941-4789
Support: 602-941-5602 or support@rupp.com
Fax: 602-941-5505
http://www.rupp.com/

#: 65535 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    04-Oct-96  15:36:26
Sb: Z-Em@il review
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: All

I have been testing for the past day or two the latest alpha of the eagerly
awaited Z-Em@il and I got Scott Glasgow's permission to offer some comments on
this product.  However, before I go any further I want to make one thing
perfectly clear.  It is  an alpha, which means that there is still a lot of
work to be done for the application to be finalized.  Therefore, some features
I will be talking about may be modified/enhanced before the product ships.
Other features may be added or deleted as well.  So please do not consider the
below comments as describing a final product or implying in any way how the
final product will look or work.

Also, these are my own thoughts and comments and they have been in no way
endorsed or approved by RUPP Technology Corporation, Limelight Software Ltd.
or SHARP Corporation.

For those of you who have not heard yet, Z-Em@il is a SMPT/POP3 mail client
for sending and receiving Internet mail, including text and binary
attachments.  It uses TCP/IP stack and requires PPP dial-up connection to the
mail server (sounds very techy, but it just means that it will work with most
Internet mail services offered today).

The main screen is virtually identical to typical Zaurus mail interface, like
the one offered by AT&T Mail or Message applications.  It is somewhat
different from mail interface provided in CCZ (CompuServe Companion for
Zaurus).  The latter was custom made for CCZ and features full screen view and
slightly different font styles and sizes.  This cannot be easily duplicated in
another software.

You get three folders: In, Out and Sent, each with index and detail view.  You
also get standard set of toolbar icons with typical menu commands.  I would
like to add here that I like the fact that so far all add-on applications use
the same interface layout and elements.  This makes it easy to learn and use
different programs.

To connect to your mail server, you need to specify IP addresses for both
outgoing mail (SMTP) and incoming mail (POP3) servers.  You will also need
your user ID and password.  All this (except for password maybe) is provided
by your ISP (Internet Service Provider).  You also need to enter a small and
simple logon script (similar to auto-logon script in Terminal application, if
you use one).  This script can be determined by calling your ISP server via
terminal emulation program and viewing what input is required to access PPP
protocol.  This usually involves entering - at proper prompts sent by server -
your user ID, password and request for PPP access.  You will also need to
setup your address book.  This is identical to CCZ address books (I use the
same Data File 3 for both applications).  One more welcome option to set:  you
can have Z-Em@il redial your server up to 9 times, if it is busy.

After that, you can type a message, optionally attach text or binary file (you
can even attach a Scrapbook entry directly from Scrapbook) and connect to your
mail server.  Here you have several options:  you can send only, receive only,
send/receive or just check if any mail is there.  You also can decide if you
want received mail to be deleted from the server or not (in case you want to
download it again with your PC) and if you want to set size limit on the mail
received (say "do not download messages bigger than 30 kB").

A little digression here.  The alpha version I tested had a debug screen
showing on line activities a la terminal emulation (Z-Em@il "talking" to mail
servers, data exchange and such).  I have never had an opportunity to have
such a "behind the scenes" look before, and I must tell you, I did not realize
how involved process it was.  Only now I realize how many commands need to be
sent back and forth before one piece of mail can be sent in either direction.
This almost takes more time, than sending the actual message itself (not
Z-Em@il's fault, but the protocol requirements imposed by Internet).  This
must be the main reason why there is no noticeable speed difference between
2400 bps or 14400 bps (unless message body or attachments are big).  So, I am
not going to complain any more about apparent "slow" speed with which mail and
forum messages are sent via CCZ.  I bet the protocol there is equally
involved.

Back to the main subject.  I tried Z-Em@il with both 14,400 bps PC card modem
(Megahertz XJ1144) and SHARP's 2,400 bps CE-FM4 modem.  Both work flawlessly.
I had not have any problems with sending and receiving mail, once I set  up
all the options and connect script properly.

After the mail is sent/received you can read it, respond to author, to all,
forward, detach attachments and save them to PC files area (as a text or
binary), and other such things.

Overall, I am very impressed.  Considering that it is still an alpha and a lot
can change, I must say that the final version is shaping to be a VERY nice and
powerful application.  It is also very well designed one (typical of RUPP's
applications).  I think that in this age of rapidly spreading Internet
communication no Zaurus user can afford to be without this amazing Internet
mail access application.

Cheers,

George
*SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800 user*



#: 70368 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    09-Nov-96  16:32:22
Sb: #70240-z-mail...3000
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Michael Weiler 103732,71

>>Do you know if Rupp's new z-em@il software allows one to install + save files
to SRAM like other apps or does it only save to the main memory like comp. in
the 5800?<<

You can install Z-Em@il on SRAM card in which case all its data files (e.g.
e-mail messages) will be placed on SRAM.  When you detach an attachment from a
received e-mail you can specify if you want it placed in PC Files area on the
main RAM or on SRAM card.  When you select a file from PC Files area to attach
it to an outgoing mail (BTW, you can also paste in a Scrapbook image as a BMP
attachment!), you can select it from either main RAM or SRAM card.

It is my understanding that Z-Em@il can also be installed on Flash card.
However, I suspect that in this case all its data and messages will be stored
in main RAM.  You can ask Scott Glasgow of RUPP Technology Corporation
(75300,1232) about Flash card installation and memory area used.

Does this answer your question?  (I am not sure what you mean by "save"
files).

>>I read it has a similar set-up to compuserve in the 5800 - is that before or
after Auto-pilot?<<

There is no Auto Pilot in Z-Em@il (and none is needed, as you read and compose
your messages only off-line and Z-Em@il automatically disconnects after
sending and/or receiving messages), but certain features allow you to specify
how you want Z-Em@il to behave when it goes online.  For example, you can
specify three options for you on-line session: Send Only, Receive Only and
Send/Receive.  You can also specify if you want mail left on your POP3 server
(say for picking up with your PC later) or to delete it from that server
immediately after downloading it to Z-Em@il.  You can also specify up to 10
independent profiles (i.e. complete sets of information regarding mail account
you use; this way you can use say up to 10 different ISPs).

If you want to know what Z-Em@il interface looks like (with very minor
differences), go to CCZ and open OUT folder, for example.  The index view and
then detailed view (press <NEW ENTRY> key to see detailed - a.k.a. editor -
view) are basically the same and there are three folders in Z-Em@il: IN, OUT
and SENT.  Detailed view supports three font sizes as well as normal (approx.
half screen) and full screen view of message text (identical to CCZ).  Address
book and addressing scheme are the same as in CCZ (I use the same Data File 3
for both CCZ and Z-Em@il.  I have people's CIS IDs in one filed on Internet
addresses in another).

>>Do you know if the software in the 3000 allows one to actually utilize files
of different types (other than TEXT and RTF) in the Z. or does it only allow
the transfer of files between the Z and a PC - is it Z add-on software or for
a PC?<<

If you are referring to ZAP2 (Zaurus Application Partner 2) software for
Windows 95 which comes with ZR-300, I have no idea.  You can ask either Scott
Campbell (75300,2046) or Michael Cohn (73377,2222) about it.  As you may know,
Scott works for SHARP and Michael seems to be the first forum member who
bought ZR-3000 and enclosed ZAP2 software (for his wife).

Hope the above helps.

Cheers,

George
*SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX user*

#: 71916 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    20-Nov-96  12:14:31
Sb: RUPP at COMDEX
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: ALL

No I have not forgotten RUPP technologies.

RUPP have announced the Z-em@il application for the Zaurus, this is going to
offer more e-mail power to the Zaurus.

The Z-em@il will work with all series 3000 and 5000 Zaurus models, and will be
available this month from RUPP.

Using Z-em@il, users can screen E-mail messages by size, and use cut-and paste
commands to attach files in .RTF   .TXT   .XLS   and bitmap formats.

The software look and feels like other Zaurus application, and is very easy to
use.

Z-em@il is available from RUPP for $ 79.99

To order call RUPP @ 800-844-7775


(BTW. there was a bunch of Z-games II boxes all  over the RUPP space.  I hope
to see this new game pack released soon also.


    Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 72189 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    21-Nov-96  13:38:38
Sb: #72118-NET on the Z  
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614

>>Can you tell me more about what is possible in formatting Email messages in
ASCII , especially in exchanges between CompuServe and Internet/x400<<

If you are referring to Z-Em@il, it uses MIME format for its messages with
base64 encoding for all types of attachments (TXT, RTF, XLS and BMP).
Therefore, whatever you create in Z-EM@il will not be in ASCII format.

Keep in mind that MIME is rapidly becoming the standard for e-mailing via PPP.
Nobody wants to go back to caves and use Unix, x400 or other such dinosaurs
for their e-mailing needs.

If your question is about what format CIS uses for messages composed at CIS
and being sent out to Internet or other systems, I have no idea, but it does
not seem to be MIME.

Cheers,

George
*SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX user*

#: 76702 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    16-Dec-96  07:49:00
Sb: #76346-WP WRAP
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Charles F. Rossigno 75607,1001

< Who in the world would have thought that there was no wrap on the word
processor for E-Mail. >

Charles, I understand your frustration. A carriage return at the end of each
line is only a temporary work around. You might also consider purchasing
Z-Em@il from RUPP @ 800-844-7775. This software allows you to send and receive
message AS WELL AS binary attachments (spreadsheets etc.) directly to and from
the internet by going through an ISP offering a SHELL account
(PPP-connection). I prefer this by far over CompuServe eMail.

Marcus
*via Sharp Zaurus 5800 & PCMCIA*

#: 76570 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    15-Dec-96  12:48:13
Sb: #75786-EM@il Help
Fm: Kable Singh 100434,2542
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517

Bo,

My connection only works if I comment out the
waitfor "otocol"
and also the
transmit "ppp^m".

On the telephone number I use it only has PPP protocol and so whether or not
it is needed may depend upon the ISP setup.

regards,
Kable

#: 76851 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Dec-96  02:45:36
Sb: #76664-NEWMAIL  No more ASCII
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Manuel Izaguirre 71064,2546

< Any ideas, anyone? >

Yes, use Z-Em@il instead of PINE, it's 100 times better !! IMO

Marcus
*via Sharp Zaurus 5800 & PCMCIA*

#: 76997 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Dec-96  23:57:46
Sb: #76969-Zem@il & Mac?
Fm: Marie Clapsaddle 71651,277
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

Scott,

Thanks for your quick response.

>  With the DEU you can send the file to PC-Files >  area and install from
there. The downfall of that is that >  you must have the >  size of the ZPM
file times two plus about 40K which for >  Z-Em@il means about >  420k.

I'm thinking about keeping Z-em@il on a card anyway because I don't want to
fill up my Z's main memory. Right now I have a Flash card (2MB) that I'm only
using to keep one backup copy of the Z's contents. Seems like there is plenty
of room on there to keep a backup plus the Z-em@il. Is that possible? Will I
be able to run the Z-em@il from a Flash card, or do I have to have a SRAM card
for that?

>   Also, be sure that your ISP doesn't require PAP >  or CHAP authentication
or Z-Em@il 1.0 will not work.

It doesn't, as far as I know. I have two ISPs (plus CIS when in the US) so I'm
sure at least one will work.

Marie


#: 76420 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    14-Dec-96  14:03:43
Sb: #76221-Terminal TERMINAL
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Jim Christian (Sysop) 74777,2604

>>Good explanation. Kits, thanks. Now that I understand it better give me an
example of how, why & when I use it with my 5800. <<

You will use it every time you send or receive e-mail with Z-Em@il.  It will
allow you to send and receive messages as well as file attachments.

In other words, MIME is that V6 engine under Z-Em@il's hood <g>.

Cheers,

George
(via SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX)

#: 76903 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Dec-96  09:53:46
Sb: #76790-#Z-EM@IL
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Thomas A. Jones 74660,2436 (X)

Message text written by Thomas A. Jones
>However, I'm having trouble getting set up. I've entered proper info in the
settings & still can not get it to connect.  <

Can you be more specific? Is it not connecting or is the login not completing
or is the login to the mail server failing? Does your ISP require PAP or CHAP
authentication (which is not supported with Z-Em@il 1.0)?

The tech guys are getting a training session with me today so that will be
fixed. The problem is that there are so many ISPs out there and so many things
that could be set up wrong. Usually it is just a scripting error.

Regards,
Scott - Rupp
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 76905 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Dec-96  10:05:38
Sb: #76903-#Z-EM@IL
Fm: Thomas A. Jones 74660,2436
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232 (X)

Scott,

Tim was very helpful in tech support & we got the problem solved. It did turn
out to be a scripting error. Yesterday Tim had me fill in my "pop" login &
password in the places in the sample script that call for the "USER ID &
PASSWORD. Instead, as it turned out you need to put you "PPP" login & password
in those spots. Once these are entered in the sample script the dial up & log
in blazed on thru, and everything worked great. This application IMHO makes
the Zaurus a great tool...now if we could get a web browser app, that would be
the ultimate.......the Z is light years ahead of WINCE in use & functionality.

Thomas A. Jones

#: 76932 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Dec-96  16:10:28
Sb: #76905-Z-EM@IL
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Thomas A. Jones 74660,2436 (X)

Message text written by Thomas A. Jones
>Tim was very helpful in tech support & we got the problem solved. It did turn
out to be a scripting error. Yesterday Tim had me fill in my "pop" login &
password in the places in the sample script that call for the "USER ID &
PASSWORD. Instead, as it turned out you need to put you "PPP" login & password
in those spots. Once these are entered in the sample <

I'm glad Tim was able to assist you. We went through a training with the tech
guys on the Internet stuff and scripting and hopefully they will be able to
assist a lot better. And as always, I am available for help.

Regards,
Scott (RTC)
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 76969 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Dec-96  19:27:27
Sb: Zem@il & Mac?
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Marie Clapsaddle 71651,277

Message text written by Marie Clapsaddle
>I'm really excited to hear that Zem@il is shipping. I've been eagerly waiting
for its release. I just wrote an email to the tech people at Rupp inquiring
about installing the software. I have a Powermac and the DEU software and
cable, but no access to a PC. Before buying, I wanted to be sure I would be
able to install the software. They wrote back that I had to have a DOS machine
with DOS 3.3 or greater. Can this be true?!?  What about all us Mac users out
here who want to use Zem@il? Please tell me it's not so. <

Hi Marie. The answer to your question is yes and no. While the only Zaurus
Application installer is DOS based (and built-in to RuppLynx 4.0), all is not
lost for Z-Em@il and MAC users. With the DEU you can send the file to PC-Files
area and install from there. The downfall of that is that you must have the
size of the ZPM file times two plus about 40K which for Z-Em@il means about
420k. There are other alternatives...such as sending an SRAM card, Flash card
or your Zaurus to us and we can install it for you. I really am surprised that
Sharp never released a Mac Installer....especially since a lot of them are Mac
users.

If you have any more questions regarding Z-Em@il, contact me since I am pretty
much the guru of this at Rupp. Also, be sure that your ISP doesn't require PAP
or CHAP authentication or Z-Em@il 1.0 will not work.

Regards,
Scott

#: 77125 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    18-Dec-96  18:41:36
Sb: #76997-Zem@il & Mac?
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Marie Clapsaddle 71651,277 (X)

Message text written by Marie Clapsaddle
>I'm thinking about keeping Z-eml on a card anyway because I don't want to
fill up my Z's main memory. Right now I have a Flash card (2MB) that I'm only
using to keep one backup copy of the Z's contents. Seems like there is plenty
of room on there to keep a backup plus the Z-eml. Is that possible? Will I be
able to run the Z-em@il from a Flash card, or do I have to have a SRAM card for
that?<

Yes, but your email will be stored on main ram.

>It doesn't, as far as I know. I have two ISPs (plus CIS when in the US) so
I'm sure at least one will work. <

If you need any help, don't hesitate to email me for some at sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 77174 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    19-Dec-96  08:05:48
Sb: Newmail and PINE
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Scott Glasgow(RUPP 75300,1232


I've been able to send Internet->CIS but not the other way around. Compuserve
will have to change their system to support MIME attachments in the near
future if they wish to stay in the forefront....and I am sure they will.

Newmail and PINE

AFAIK CompuServe will make its Internet/X400 MAIL gateway MIME-compliant as
per jan 01-1997. This will make the sending as well as receiving (within
system limits of course ) possible of large binary/formatted text attachments
( i.e. larger than 14.5 kB/kOct ).
Nowadays it is possible to send and receive small MIME'd attachments "hidden"
in the message body out of CServe to an Internet/X400NORMAIL recipient.
BTW you mentioned AOL which has converted to MIME
Do they use a server or a client-based approach?
Also have I experimented with the insertion of text directly out of Documents
into a message composed online in PINE .
This goes excellent , but as one uses the "upload text (ASCII) function you
will need a correctly initialized PC card modem otherwise you will end up with
garbage .

This is a very attractive feature if one has a dialback account , you can then
have the possibility to combine a local file with one on the server and it
allows also a full integration of Z-em@il , CCZ and PINE/PICO.


 De groetjes "kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
CIS:106016,3614
kitsvh@bio.vu.nl
http://www.bio.vu.nl

#: 77365 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    20-Dec-96  16:47:04
Sb: EM@il Help
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Scott Glasgow(RUPP 75300,1232

REPLY
Date: FRI, 13  EC, 1996, 17:55:11

Message text written by Jim Christian (Sysop)
> I attached a .xls spreadsheet but that was all garbled. Unfortunately I have
to turn the Z off & on after every use as it won't send another message. I
doubt it's Bo's stuff, though.<

Scott answered:

You can't send attachments from your internet account to CIS accounts.

Regards,
Scott
sglasgow@rupp.com


Not entirely true , you can send and receive small MIME'd attachments.
within the limits of one Zaurus memory page =16kB/kOct.
This means that you may have to send the attachment as a separate message as
you must deduct ? 1.5kB/kOct for the header
I have tried it just this evening and I will paste a MIME'd attachment in this
message. ( It is nothing special ,just plain vanilla html ASCII and it is
MSblurp about WINCE.

(NOT included in this forum post! )

#: 77469 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    21-Dec-96  16:44:52
Sb: #77416-Sharp Announcement: CCZ!
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Paul Slavik 73237,3233

>>I have been trying to get a CIS PPP connection using your recommended script
with no luck.<<

This wasn't my script.  I got it from Bo Lorentzen.  Since he is our CIS
connection gurus, I suggest you send him a message describing your problem.
Post a message to him here.  His CIS ID is 75300,2517.

Unfortunately, I cannot help you with this.  I have my CIS PPP connection
profile in Z-Em@il set to 8N1 (default) and it works OK.

Cheers,

George
(via SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX)

#: 77443 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    21-Dec-96  13:23:08
Sb: #77414-Z-em@il
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Paul Slavik 73237,3233

Poul.

Set your Z-em@il to 8N1 from the start, it will log in OK that way also. ;-)

Let me know if that solves the problem.

  Bo

#: 77533 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    22-Dec-96  08:24:39
Sb: #77515-Z  Em@il
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Francoise Cooen 100244,2017

< It says ; Entering PPP mode
IP address is ###.##.##.##
MTU 1524
I can't get any further than that.  Hoping you can help me? >

Francoise, I had the same problem. After playing with it for a long time, this
is what I found works for me. This is what the last lines in your script
should look like:

transmit "ppp^m"
waitfor "MTU"
transmit "^m"

It seems that Z-Em@il doesn't wait long enough for some servers to begin PPP.
Let us know if this works for you.

Marcus
** via Sharp Zaurus 5800 fx **
green@userwst2.fh-reutlingen.de

#: 77575 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    22-Dec-96  14:50:08
Sb: #77515-Z  Em@il
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Francoise Cooen 100244,2017 (X)

Hello Francoise

I assume that you have already filled the DNS address in for the SMPT and the
POP address of your server.  next you must also have set your dial-up script
right, if not you would not get to the PPP negotiation,  What provider are you
using?  make sure that the setting is 8N1, if you are connecting via
CompuServe, it is tempting to set it to 7E1 but even via CompuServe you need
8N1.

Let me know how you do.

   Bo

#: 77666 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    23-Dec-96  10:08:31
Sb: #77644-Z-Em@il: what does it do
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Nathan Wajsman 100712,3112

Z-Em@il is an Internet email client.

#: 77818 S1/Forum Business
    24-Dec-96  13:35:51
Sb: Z-Em@il & Static IP's
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: all

Hiya folks and Happy Holidays!

Just thought I'd share my experience with Z-Em@il.
First off, hats off to the Rupp folks,  Not only do thay have a real sweet
product, but the support is good, too!

Thanks to them, I think I've discovered that Z-Em@il does NOT work with
static IP addresses.

For those of you who don't know what that is, Compuserve gives you a different
IP address each time you log in (dynamic IP assignment).  Some ISP's (like
mine), assign a fixed address to your computer (static IP assignment).

Z-Em@il has no place to assign an IP address to the Zaurus (not the servers,
the Z itself).  According to my ISP, this will be a problem for Static
Addressing.

The symptom is the Z "hanging up" during PPP Negotiation.

So, in addition to PAP/CHAP authentication, you should check if you are using
dynamic or static addresses.

Thanks again to the folks at Rupp.  At least I know why it doesn't work with
my ISP, but DOES work with Compuserve.

Mike
ZR-5800 - Autopilot

#: 77804 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    24-Dec-96  12:23:10
Sb: Z-Em@il: what does it do
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Nathan Wajsman  100712,3112

 Nathan Wajsman wrote on : MON, 23  DEC, 1996, 15:03:06:

Can anyone tell me if and why I should be interested in Z-Em@il? I use
Compuserve and AT&T Mail and am satisfied with both. Given that, is there any
reason for me to buy Z-Em@il? In other words, would it do anything for me that
AT&T Mail and Compuserve don't?

Thanks!

Nathan

Well Z-Em@il is a plug-in to the existing email apps of your Z that allows you
to send/receive Internet (and in the future also X400 ) MAIL directly without
the need to set up a pc as mailhost.
Ordinary mortals i.e. people not living in/originating fron countries with
extensive X400MAIL infrastructures and/or not employed by an US long-distance
operator or a  public phone operator and wich have to do with either
CompuServe ,AOL or Prodigy resp the internet(i.e that's the majority of us)
can have very good use for it.
I hope that this gives you a good explanation.

#: 77957 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    26-Dec-96  09:58:58
Sb: #77708-Z-Em@il: what does it do
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Nathan Wajsman 100712,3112

Message text written by Nathan Wajsman
> For example, AT&T Mail on the Zaurus imposes a limit on the size of the
message of around 10kb - plenty for text but often not enough if there is an
attachment or if the message is my daily digest from a motorcycle mailing list
(usually around 40kb). Would Z-Eml solve that problem? <

An Internet account would solve that problem. Z-Em@il can download any size
message, but truncates the actual message at 8k with the capability to export
the entire message to PC Files and export to a PC or import into Documents to
read. This does not include attachments, which can be any size up to amount of
space on your Zaurus.

Regards,
Scott (RTC)

#: 77956 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    26-Dec-96  09:57:13
Sb: #77705-Z-Em@il 1.0 - 1.1 Update
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517

Message text written by Bo Lorentzen (Sysop)
>Would there happen to be a solution for us Mac people? <

Unfortunately no. We only have RTPatch for DOS/Windows. I am not even sure
there is a version for Mac.

Regards,
Scott

#: 77986 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    26-Dec-96  16:10:39
Sb: #77966-Free Advice Welcomed
Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123
To: E. E. Monroe 74557,2770

Ellen,

here are some of your questions answered.

I use a Sharp Zaurus model ZR-5800FX.  Tis is a 2Mb unit and the FX means that
it comes packaged with a modem.  This modem clips on to the side and
operates through the units own port.  It is super simple to use for e-mail (Via
compuserve) and for sending faxes. It does NOT receive faxes.

If you want you can also download a programme from the library to your Zaurus
(When you get one) that automates mail sending & receiving to both personal
(e-mail) and forum mail.  This software is called AUTOPILOT.  There is also a
programme available (to buy) calles ZEm@il (Spelt Zem@il).  This allows you to
use an internet account (if you have one) from your Zaurus.

You can type and/or write via a stylus on the Z.

I forgot to mention that you can also use a PCMCIA modem in the type 2 slot.

You will NOT be able to load your school software on to the Zaurus.

You will not be able to read your Zaurus files easily on your PC unless you
use a package called RUPPLYNX

The Zaurus for me is PERFECT and I am a total addict.

Good luck with your choice and let us all know how you get on,

See you on this forum with your Zaurus,

Regards,

Charles. (Hertfordshire, England)  


#: 78014 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    26-Dec-96  21:19:20
Sb: #16 kB max message size ?
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Scott Campbell(SHA 75300,2046

On Thu, 26 Dec 1996 21:24:25 -0500 ,  George Czajkowski [74131,2121]  wrote to
me:
Well, it seems than that CCZ is different from Z-Em@il.  As far as I = know
there is no message size limit in Z-Em@il.  Well, there is but a = different
one:

All messages not larger that 8 kB (not counting attachments) will = display in
Z-Em@il's editor window.  All messages larger than 8 kB will = have only the
first 8 kB displayed.  A message will advise the user to = export the entire
message - whatever its size might be - to PC Files = area from where it can be
imported into Documents or exported to a PC as = any text file.  If it is
larger than 16 kB (Documents entry size limit), = it will be automatically
split into 16 kB chunks during import into = Documents.

The big question therefore is: if it can be done with Z-Em@il, why was = it
not done with CCZ?

Cheers,

George

---------- > From: kitsvh             <106016.3614@CompuServe.COM


Indeed, Scott , a very good question as long as CServe has not implemented a
MIME-compliant gateway to Internet and X400 mail systems.
But , in all honour who would send messages of such size , this is in fact the
first time I came across this size limit in CCZ and then only when George
included the complete text of his homepage in the reply.
I myself avoid these limits by either : 1 include only selected highlights of
the original msg in the reply, 2 send the original separately , if need be by
pasting it into the text entry field of PINE (as a server-based mail agent it
does not suffer from this size limit.
3 send oversized files as a filer folder or PC files attachment,
depending on the situation in question.
But perhaps other people think otherwise so this may be another
enhancement/patch for the Z.


De groetjes "kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
CIS:106016,3614
kitsvh@bio.vu.nl
http://www.bio.vu.nl


#: 78153 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    27-Dec-96  19:43:17
Sb: Z-Em@il/Mac Issues/long
Fm: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

Well, I have to admit, Z-Em@il is the best thing to happen to the Z since, er,
the Z! I ordered it from Rupp and, thankyouverymuch, the FEDEX arrived here in
Hong Kong 3 days later. Woo!

Well, initially I was a little worried about the DOS/Windows only installer, I
only have access to Macs here. A quick check in this forum and all was
apparently solved! Or so I thought.

Installing to Flash
-------------------
I attempted to install via the Mac DEU - Zem@il - to my 2MB Newton Flash card.
No luck. The DEU would not even recognize the that the Flash card was in the
unit. Sure, I could internally backup data that was resident on the Z, but I
could not even copy the .ZPM file over to flash. This posed another problem.

I'm out of Z Built In Memory
----------------------------

The ZPM file itself is 200+k, and although this forum seems to indicate that
you will need approx 230k for the App itself, my Z would not install Z-em@il
until I had cleared out 260k!(total 460k) Needless to say, I was excited, so I
did a little "clearing house" and the app installed OK. (On main memory)

Woo- it works. Now What? Bugs
-----------------------------
Installing was a breeze. I have it connecting directly to my ISP without a
hitch! I even have it connecting to my Main ISP via the dial up of ANOTHER ISP
(cheaper rates). I just negotiate the PPP via one ISP and use the POP3 of the
other. There are, however, some bugs:

      Find
      ----
        The find feature will not work at all. Any find initiated on random
mailboxes will return an error. (error-1)

      Crashes
      -------
        Z-em@il will automagically shut down at random. (albeit this has
happened 3 or 4 times in approx 100 uses)


      Batteries? What Batteries?
      --------------------------
         Doubtless that this has been covered here before. But lets just
re-iterate. I have the sidecar modem - the CE-FM4. Yesterday, I put in some
new National Metal Jacket Batteries into my Z. I connected via Z-em@il and
retrieved 3 small messages (i have the limit set to 2kb maximum size on the
2400bps). I then did the same thing, with the same amount of messages, 10
minutes later. I then ran a 4 minute Terminal Session. Then my Z would not
connect via the modem without collapsing from battery exhaustion. Now I am sure
that everyone will say - "get the adapter" - but, er, isn't that NOT the point
of a handheld/kpda  I'm not at home doing this, If I were I would use the
laptop or the PC!

So What Next? The Updater
-------------------------
So Im cruising www.rupp.com and I find that Z-em@il has been updated to 1.1.
This poses yet another issue. They want you to delete the file - all your mail
-  and patch the install file - the REINSTALL. The install file itself is an
EXE! (Unusable on a Mac). No mention of a ZPM file or any such thing. Well,
now Im dumb founded. I have no idea what I should be doing to patch my Z-em@il
to the current version. Perhaps I should grab SoftPC and the installer app? I
would appreciate comments/advise/suggestions on this one.

Suggestions
-----------
Well, I now have Z-em@il 1.0 installed in main memory and have an unused flash
card. I love the app and it makes the Zaurus at least 10x more useful. It
could do with the following features, however:

1) It would be nice if it could retrieve subjects of messages so you could see
what you were missing by the wonderful size filter.

2) It should have an option to adjust PPP wait timeouts. I find it is set way
too short. (Mind you, the batteries could die if the timeout was too long ;) )

3) HOTKEYS! I have a k-pda instead of a pda because of the K. Why not use it?
Too many clicks to check mail. Thats a fact.


There are tons of other ideas - which would make Z-em@il more Eudora Pro like,
but that is not withing the scope of of this ridiculously long post, or of a
200k app.


Ok, Blabbering over, lets see what YOU have to say.

Take care all,
Sunil.

#: 78173 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    28-Dec-96  00:11:49
Sb: #78153-Z-Em@il/Mac Issues/long
Fm: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713
To: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713

As a follow up to my previous post:

Installing Z-em@il 1.1 on a Mac
-------------------------------

I have just successfully done this. The method is effective, but clunky. Yes,
I used Softwindows 3.0. It was quite simple actually, but I CAN confirm that
it does work (very very slowly)

SW3.0 has a setting where you can allocate a serial port (aka com1 or com2)
port and use the standard CE-135T on your Mac. Once that part is figured out,
the rest is a piece of cake. Oh, the real bonus is that it let me install to my
flash 2MB. The Mac DEU did not.

Now, anyone wanna let me beta test RuppLynx under Softwindows? :)

rgds/sunil
sunil@replay.net

#: 78153 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    27-Dec-96  19:43:17
Sb: Z-Em@il/Mac Issues/long
Fm: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

Well, I have to admit, Z-Em@il is the best thing to happen to the Z since, er,
the Z! I ordered it from Rupp and, thankyouverymuch, the FEDEX arrived here in
Hong Kong 3 days later. Woo!

Well, initially I was a little worried about the DOS/Windows only installer, I
only have access to Macs here. A quick check in this forum and all was
apparently solved! Or so I thought.

Installing to Flash
-------------------
I attempted to install via the Mac DEU - Zem@il - to my 2MB Newton Flash card.
No luck. The DEU would not even recognize the that the Flash card was in the
unit. Sure, I could internally backup data that was resident on the Z, but I
could not even copy the .ZPM file over to flash. This posed another problem.

I'm out of Z Built In Memory
----------------------------

The ZPM file itself is 200+k, and although this forum seems to indicate that
you will need approx 230k for the App itself, my Z would not install Z-em@il
until I had cleared out 260k!(total 460k) Needless to say, I was excited, so I
did a little "clearing house" and the app installed OK. (On main memory)

Woo- it works. Now What? Bugs
-----------------------------
Installing was a breeze. I have it connecting directly to my ISP without a
hitch! I even have it connecting to my Main ISP via the dial up of ANOTHER ISP
(cheaper rates). I just negotiate the PPP via one ISP and use the POP3 of the
other. There are, however, some bugs:

      Find
      ----
        The find feature will not work at all. Any find initiated on random
mailboxes will return an error. (error-1)

      Crashes
      -------
        Z-em@il will automagically shut down at random. (albeit this has
happened 3 or 4 times in approx 100 uses)


      Batteries? What Batteries?
      --------------------------
         Doubtless that this has been covered here before. But lets just
re-iterate. I have the sidecar modem - the CE-FM4. Yesterday, I put in some
new National Metal Jacket Batteries into my Z. I connected via Z-em@il and
retrieved 3 small messages (i have the limit set to 2kb maximum size on the
2400bps). I then did the same thing, with the same amount of messages, 10
minutes later. I then ran a 4 minute Terminal Session. Then my Z would not
connect via the modem without collapsing from battery exhaustion. Now I am sure
that everyone will say - "get the adapter" - but, er, isn't that NOT the point
of a handheld/kpda  I'm not at home doing this, If I were I would use the
laptop or the PC!

So What Next? The Updater
-------------------------
So Im cruising www.rupp.com and I find that Z-em@il has been updated to 1.1.
This poses yet another issue. They want you to delete the file - all your mail
-  and patch the install file - the REINSTALL. The install file itself is an
EXE! (Unusable on a Mac). No mention of a ZPM file or any such thing. Well,
now Im dumb founded. I have no idea what I should be doing to patch my Z-em@il
to the current version. Perhaps I should grab SoftPC and the installer app? I
would appreciate comments/advise/suggestions on this one.

Suggestions
-----------
Well, I now have Z-em@il 1.0 installed in main memory and have an unused flash
card. I love the app and it makes the Zaurus at least 10x more useful. It
could do with the following features, however:

1) It would be nice if it could retrieve subjects of messages so you could see
what you were missing by the wonderful size filter.

2) It should have an option to adjust PPP wait timeouts. I find it is set way
too short. (Mind you, the batteries could die if the timeout was too long ;) )

3) HOTKEYS! I have a k-pda instead of a pda because of the K. Why not use it?
Too many clicks to check mail. Thats a fact.


There are tons of other ideas - which would make Z-em@il more Eudora Pro like,
but that is not withing the scope of of this ridiculously long post, or of a
200k app.


Ok, Blabbering over, lets see what YOU have to say.

Take care all,
Sunil.

#: 78172 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    27-Dec-96  23:46:38
Sb: #78044-Z-Em@il: what does it do
Fm: Nathan Wajsman 100712,3112
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

<As for retrieving your AT&T Mail, that isn't possible as I don't believe AT&T
Mail service uses POP3 or PPP dial up since they are proprietary. If you can
setup your AT&T Mail account to forward to an external internet account, then
you could do it that way.

Regards,
Scott
sglasgow@rupp.com>

Scott,

Many thanks for the info above. It is a bit of bummer with AT&T Mail not being
compatible with Z-Em@il. However, I CAN set my AT&T Mail to forward all
incoming mail to another e-mail address. So maybe I could forward my e-mail to
my Compuserve ID when I travel, and then use Z-Em@il to retrieve it from
Compuserve, thus avoiding the size limit. Would that work or is Compuserve
also incompatible with Z-Em@il? Thanks for your answers so far and I promise
this is the last question,

Nathan
(via Z-2 on holiday in Denmark)

#: 73555 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Nov-96  10:56:29
Sb: #73492-POPmail client
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534

>>Will this work on a POP3 server outside of CServe?  If so, you've just
solved my access problem to my ISP. :)<<

This is the purpose of Z-Em@il add-on program for all Zaurus models!  It is a
SMTP/POP3 Internet mail client which you can use with ANY ISP who provides
dial-up access using standard PPP connection.

It is similar in look to Message or AT&T Mail built in applications, but it
offers some extras, like:

1. Ability to specify up to 10 separate profiles (if you want to access
several ISPs, or use more than one access number - say local and toll free -
for the same ISP).

2. Ability to send and receive file attachments.

3. Full MIME compatibility.

4. No need to scroll through 3-4 pages of header information (you can still
access the complete header if you send message to PC Files and then import it
to Documents).

This program is a must for any Internet mail user.

I will be uploading a detailed review here.

To order call RUPP Technology at 800-844-7775 or 602-941-4789.  The list price
is $79.99 US.

Cheers,

George
(via SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX)

#: 73554 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Nov-96  10:56:18
Sb: #73452-POPmail client
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Henry A. Lester 71162,611

>>I'm not a Zaurus owner but would like to become one . . . if it will do
this.

1.  Access Compuserve via PPP dial up.

2.  From there, access my POPmail server to send and receive mail

3.  In short, the Zaurus should act like Eudora.<<

Zaurus ZR-5700, ZR-5800 and ZR-3000 come with built in fully graphical access
interface for CompuServe (including mail and forums).  ZR-3000 has a built in
Auto-Pilot off-line navigator and Weather/Stock access as well.  These extra
goodies are available to ZR-5700/5800 users for free here in this forum.
However, you cannot PPP to your ISP using this software (like you cannot with
say WinCIM 2.0).

RUPP Technology should start shipping next week Z-Em@il, a Eudora-like add-on
program for all Zaurus models.  This is a SMTP/POP3 Internet mail client which
you can use with ANY ISP provider who provides a dial-up access via standard
PPP connection.

Z-Em@il is fully MIME compatible, allows to send/receive file attachments and
has other goodies.  To order it call RUPP Technology at 800-844-7775 or
602-941-4789.

Cheers,

George
(via SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX)


#: 73593 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Nov-96  15:39:28
Sb: #73492-POPmail client
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534

Hello Michael,

Yes this do work with an outside POP3 server,  I gather my e-mail from pe.net
and citiusa.com by logging onto CompuServe with my Zaurus and Z-em@il,  it
works fine, sometimes if CompuServe is slow, I have to try again, because the
Zaurus don't care for long log on-times.  But that is OK with me.

   Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 73592 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Nov-96  15:39:26
Sb: #73513-PC Card modem-PDA
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Riberto Rivero, Jr. 75507,1363

Hello Riberto

>>did I understand from this message, that I could access my internet
(SpryNet) e-mail using my Zaurus via my existing CompuServe account?<<

Yes you are right, you have to call your ISP and ask for the SMTP number and
the POP3 number, both have a DNS number, you then add that into the Z-em@il
software from RUPP, and in the dial up section you use the CompuServe number,
and the script I did provide.  BINGO you are on.

    Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 73593 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Nov-96  15:39:28
Sb: #73492-POPmail client
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534

Hello Michael,

Yes this do work with an outside POP3 server,  I gather my e-mail from pe.net
and citiusa.com by logging onto CompuServe with my Zaurus and Z-em@il,  it
works fine, sometimes if CompuServe is slow, I have to try again, because the
Zaurus don't care for long log on-times.  But that is OK with me.

   Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 74735 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    05-Dec-96  11:17:14
Sb: #73916-e-mail
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Kable Singh 100434,2542 (X)

Message text written by Kable Singh
>Can you explain how you connect from Z-Em@il via Compuserve to a local ISP? <
TCP/IP is TCP/IP. It does not matter where you are located. Just like on any
other network. Unplug your computer from your network connection (if you have
one at work) and go plug it in somewhere else. You still have access to all
the same stuff.

PPP is just the connection protocol. The real important communications lies
within the TCP/IP stack. The PPP (Point to Point Protocol) merely makes and
keeps the connection to the host.

Regards,
Scott (RTC)

#: 75775 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Dec-96  21:49:00
Sb: #75743-#EM@il Help
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534 (X)

Pleeease pleeease help me, too.
In am getting Z-Em@il to logon with my script, then find the correct prompt
and send "ppp".

Then it says "PPP negotiation" and nothing happens for a few minutes, then it
logs off with "PPP Negotiation Error".

I've tried this in terminal mode, and when entering " PPP" at the last prompt,
I get only garbled characters, so I assume PPP would work fine. I just don't
know what the problem is. I tried it with my system administrator and he says
there must be something missing in my script, but he can't see what.

If someone could pleease help, I'm dying to get this working. BTW, I also
tried Bo's suggestion with CompuServe PPP in terminal mode, the script didn't
work for me.
Does it need a
transmit "ppp^m" in the end?

Any help would be appreciated.
TIA,
Marcus
** via Sharp Zaurus 5800 fx **
** oh, no, it's 6.30am already, guess I should go to sleep **

#: 75928 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Dec-96  18:46:00
Sb: #75873-Sharp Announcement: CCZ!
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: James Fields 102041,2327

>>Excuse me, I am a little lost.  I purchased a Zaurus 5000 last June for
email and word processing, while traveling (in the US mostly).  Can someone
please tell me the best way to connect to cis or my local ISP?  I have been
reading your files libraries and can't seem to find  CCZ PLUG.EXE.  I was told
this was the file I needed to get CIS connection for my Zaurus.  Is Zem@il the
way to go?  Is there any way I can operate a mail program from my main memory.
<<

To connect to CIS you can do it two ways:

1.  Using built-in Terminal application which lets you connect to CIS in text
mode.  Look for files in this library (keyword search for CIS, Compuserve,
connect, etc.), as there are some which provide detailed info on how to do it.
If you take this route, you will deal with CIS via text (ASCII) interface.

2.  Purchase an add-on program called CompuServe Companion (go to http://www.
pygmy.com).  You will also need 2 MB Flash (or SRAM) card to install it on
(CCZ program is about 1.3 MB and would not fit into main RAM).

BTW, CCZPLUG.EXE (or whatever its name) contains a CCZ enhancement for ZR-5700
and ZR-5800 users only (as these models come with CCZ software built-in).  You
do not need this enhancement, as all the extra functionality is already
available in the stand alone CCZ program mentioned in Item 2 above.

As to Z-Em@il this is an Internet mail client.  If you have an ISP who offers
a standard (no extras like CHAP/PAP authorization or DNS requirements) PPP
connection, then you can use Z-Em@il to connect to your SMTP/POP3 servers to
send/receive mail, including attachments.

You can also use Z-Em@il to establish a PPP connection with CompuServe and get
mail from your ISP (as long as they run SMTP/POP3 protocols).  In this case
you can do it even if your ISP runs CHAP/PAP protocols because you bypass them
when using CIS to connect.

To learn more about Z-Em@il see my review in the library or visit RUPP
Technology at http://www.rupp.com.

Cheers,

George
*SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX user*

#: 76019 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    12-Dec-96  09:38:02
Sb: #75735-EM@il Help
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Jim Christian (Sysop) 74777,2604

Message text written by Jim Christian (Sysop)
>I use AT&T Worldnet for my IP and they have only Primary & Secondary DNS
numbers. They don't have POP, POP3 or SMPT numbers. What do I put where with
ZEML? <

You can't dial in to AT&T WorldNet. They use CHAP authentication...although
you can use CIS for the connection and get mail from your AT&T account. Every
server has a POP3/SMTP server which has an IP address. What they will probably
give you is an address like mail.att.net which you have to get the IP address
for (easy to do...ping mail.att.net will give you the IP address).

Regards,
Scott (RTC)
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 76020 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    12-Dec-96  09:38:47
Sb: #75743-EM@il Help
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534 (X)

Message text written by Michael Disabato
>Bear with me, this may get complicated.  If you have the name of the server,
you can try that.  Otherwise, a program called PING will take the server name
and return the IP address.<

No DNS support in this version of Z-Em@il. It must be the IP address.

Regards,
Scott (RTC)
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 77660 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    23-Dec-96  09:59:45
Sb: #77507-RUPP Z Conference
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Hal Meyer       71333,2770 (X)

Message text written by Hal Meyer
>Does Z-Em@il work with AT&T Worldnet?<

Not at this time. AT&T require PAP/CHAP authentication. If you have another
PPP connection, like Compuserve, you can get your mail from AT&T Worldnet, you
just can use them for the PPP connection.

Happy Holidays

#: 78411 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  13:43:57
Sb: #78336-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Byron S Cooper 105064,113
To: Marcus Green 100445,2577

Thanks! You solved it! For anyone who has concentric network Here is the
script:
wait for "username"
transmit "bscooper@ppp"
waitfor "word"
transmit "my specific password^m"

#: 78343 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  07:52:01
Sb: #78310-#Z-mail won't work
Fm: Alexander Gutfeldt 100527,2461
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 (X)

Salu Bo,

Thanks for the script, the difference from the one we have been trying is that
you only look for ':' as prompt from cis, while our's looks for the last word
+':', which prompted me to switch to 7E1 .. your script plus the tip to stay
8N1 will hopefully do the trick.. we're going to try tonight, I guess.

Greetings from Zuoz
 'lexu 

#: 78650 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    30-Dec-96  19:42:13
Sb: #78600-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713
To: Alexander Gutfeldt 100527,2461

Regarding upgrading to Zem@il 1.1 on a Mac. The only way I have found that
works for me, is using Softwindows (or SoftPC as you only need DOS)

Softwindows has a config where you are able to set your Printer Port as a PC
Com1 or Com2 port. The Zaurus update will update the zpm file to ver 1.1, and
you can run the installer all under softPC.

Feel free to mail me at sunil@replay.net with any questions you mac users may
have. I am currently working on a solution, albeit very very "dodgy" that will
help us mac users in the Zaurus world.

As an aside, how come there are no GOOD Zaurus Web pages? Maybe I am missing
out, but there is nothing that is keeping track of day2day developments. I
must have missed it, but did you all know about the Joey Forms DEMO program
available for windows and the Z? It looks very cool indeed, and its a DEMO!

rgds/sunil

#: 78651 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    30-Dec-96  19:45:38
Sb: #78412-Z-mail script
Fm: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713
To: Byron S Cooper 105064,113

For those who have Z-Em@il and dont know:

Zem@il only handles IP addresses (eg 102.193.201.121 instead of
somename.net). The best/quickest way to find out your IP is using your unix
shell. You can use your Z in terminal mode to connect to your ISP. Then do the
following:

nslookup somename.net

*Where somename.net is the POP3 or SMPT server that you have to convert to an
IP.

Obvious info to some,  but not to others!

rgds/sunil

#: 78820 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    31-Dec-96  16:12:22
Sb: #78777-Z EMAIL
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: JP 105420,3036

Hello JP... Janet...?

Please add your first and last name to your forum entry. (that is forum and
CompuServe rules)

TO setup you Z-em@il you need to get the "DNS" from your ISP for the following
"SMTP" and "POP3" they will try to give you "mail@mysite.com" but you need a
numeric value, then you need them to tell you what a dial up script for their
server looks like.   BTW you must have a true PPP account, if you don't have
that you can acces your internet pop3 email via compuserve using the Z-em@il
also.  What server are you trying to dial in to?

   Bo

#: 78875 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    01-Jan-97  03:37:50
Sb: 16 kB max message size ?
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Nathan Wajsman  100712,3112

16 kB max message size in CCZ?

Nathan Wajsman,100712,3112 wrote on:
01. 01.97    11:03



Kits,

Yes, I read yours and Scott's messages. It seems that one feasible way to
overcome the message size limitations in CCZ and AT&T Mail software on the Z
is to have AT&T Mail temporarily forward messages to my Compuserve ID and then
pull them from there using Z-Em@il.


Nathan,

The most practical thing to do  now ,if you do not want to clutter up your Z
with additional software is to ask the sender to attach anything greater than
16 kB/kOct to their message as a filer folder or PC file and send it directly
to your CServe ID#.
x400 now uses the same standards as the Internet with regards to exchanges to
CServe. which means that attachments as well as anything above 16kB/kOct is
lost until NEWMAIL is operational .
NEWMAIL will have MIME ,allowing full Internet/x400 exchanges , including
attachments.

Give it a try!

Hilse "kits"




#: 78918 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    01-Jan-97  11:19:06
Sb: #78865-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Kable Singh 100434,2542

Hello Kable

>as CIS returns many lines of spurious characters before it eventually replies
with the :host<

I have that problem if I don't use a error correction like make sure to check
NMP,  there should not be any lines before the host: line is returned.  the
characters probably come from line noice.    Please tell MI6 to use better
gear when they eaves drop. <g>

   Bo

#: 78919 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    01-Jan-97  11:29:36
Sb: #78876-Z EMail
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Francoise Cooen 100244,2017

Hello Francoise

>I Don't know what else to try - apart from getting another ISP supplier.<

What ISP are you using?  CompuServe?  If you are using a local cool company I
would go downt here and ask to talk to one of their tecs.... Bring a couble of
can's of Coke Clasic, and say please check this out for me.   Most likely you
can get help from any local ISP even if you are not a customer there, at least
over here they seems to be very nice.  I had problems with accessing my
account and visited the tec at pe.net here, he is the one who gave me the idea
of using CompuServe to get to my account at citiusa.com  We spend about 45
minutes playing with my Z and he installed his own account which worked great
because he had a true PPP account.

Even if you had wrong information in the e-mail section the Zaursu should
succed in the PPP part, are you using 8N1?  (I know you probably are)  And
your dial-up script is OK because otherwise you would not get to the PPP part.
<g>  However you may want to call your ISP and check that the script is what
they suggest.  (are you sure that you are not living in L.A? I could set this
up for you over a cup of Starbucks coffe)

Let me know what ISP you are using.  PS. the software really do work, and I
only have the 1.0 version.

   Bo

#: 78943 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    01-Jan-97  14:12:48
Sb: #78850-Z-Em@il Login Problem
Fm: Jeff Taylor 72371,772
To: Marie Clapsaddle 71651,277 (X)

If your Internet account is similar to Netcom, which I use, you sign on as PPP
from the initial script.  It will have # or us,ppp,  in front of your user
name.  Put a ; in front of the wait for "otocol:" and transmit "ppp^m".  These
statements are not necessary with a Nectcom type signon.

#: 78940 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    01-Jan-97  13:49:35
Sb: 16 kB max message size?
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Nathan Wajsman  100712,3112

16 kB max message si
 Nathan Wajsman wrote on WED,  1  JAN, 1997, 21:50:23

16 kB max message size ?

Forum: ZAURUS


Kits,

Thanks for the information.
The problem is that I receive my e-mail from a number of different people,
some of whom I do not even know (e.g. people who run mailing lists).
So, it is not feasible for me to tell all these senders to send me stuff in a
particular format etc.

As for NEWMAIL, I have not switched yet, since I hear that there are some
initial bugs still to be worked out.
The upshot of all this is that I will stick with straight AT&T Mail as my
primary e-mail vehicle and just live with the 16kb limit for the time being.
Worst come to worst, I can read longert messages online on AT&T Mail.
It is not convenient and it is expensive (the phone call is to a node in
London) but fortunately for me my employer provides AT&T Mail to me free of
charge.


Nathan,

Well if  you can live with some extra clutter in your Z in the form of Z-Em@il
then I have good news for you.
With Z-Em@il you can in fact access your X400 Mail through CompuServe (Ask Bo
for more info on that ) without going through the hassles of Newmail.! !
Why? Well X400 and the Internet share the same physical infrastructure ,even
to the extent that X400 mailservers have IP numbers ! !
So when you arrange a mailforward to your Internet address (RFC822 that is !
!) the only thing that actually happens is that your X400 mail becomes
accessible with an Internet mailclient such as Z-Em@il .
Z-EM@il lets you download even very long messages >16 kB/kOct, you can access
the overly long ones by saving them (off-line) into PC Files and from there
you can copy them to Documents.
With a forward to your Internet mailbox the full information in the X400
mailheader is transferred to the Internet mailheader so most of the amenities
of X400 can be maintained.
Contact Scott(RUPP) for more

I sincerely hope that this info is of some use to you.

Hilser
"kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
106016,3614




#: 79064 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Jan-97  10:22:43
Sb: #78172-Z-Em@il: what does it do
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Nathan Wajsman 100712,3112

Message text written by Nathan Wajsman
>Many thanks for the info above. It is a bit of bummer with AT&T Mail not
being compatible with Z-Eml. However, I CAN set my AT&T Mail to forward all
incoming mail to another e-mail address. So maybe I could forward my e-mail to
my Compuserve ID when I travel, and then use Z-Eml to retrieve it from
Compuserve, thus avoiding the size limit. Would that work or is Compuserve
also incompatible with Z-Eml? Thanks for your answers so far and I promise
this is the last question, <

That would not work either. You would have to use the Zaurus Compuserve
Companion to retrieve mail from Compuserve. Z-Em@il is an Internet Mail client
that works with POP3 servers and SMTP only.

Regards,
Scott (RTC)

#: 79067 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Jan-97  10:31:57
Sb: #78153-Z-Em@il/Mac Issues/long
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713

I can't do anything about the Mac Installer.....We didn't make the DOS one.

We don't have RTPatch for macintosh....something we are looking into.

Flash Card: Well this is easy. You cannot put PC Files on a flash card. You
could send it to your Zaurus RAM, then install to Flash Card...but keep in
mind that the flash card draws more power....which may be the reason your
batteries died so quick?

Message Headers (retrieve subjects of messages) was actually something I
suggested, but unfortunately could not be implemented into the first version.

PPP timeout adjustment was discussed and it was worked out to 'timeout' only
if the server didn't respond. Typically what happens is the server is
disconnecting the user (or disconnecting Z-Em@il) and not Z-Em@il
disconnecting from the server. I really can't say if this is what is happening
to you or not since I haven't seen use of your account in action.

HotKeys: There are some hotkeys....send/receive mail is just not one of
them...but it is on the list now.

Regards,
Scott (RTC)
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 79051 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Jan-97  09:09:15
Sb: #78607-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Alexander Gutfeldt 100527,2461
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 (X)

>If the unit goes into PPP neg right away, I would guess that
 you have by accidend deleted the script from the dialup
 information, maybe you are using two different dial
 upsettings, and have not entered the script in the one but in
 a older one?<

I don't think so, only one script, when edited to look for words, not only the
':' and set to use 7-bit, it logs on, enters uid and pwd..then waits for ever
for PPP. (I know this can't work, I mention it to show, that we have the
script running, that has been set up according to your specs.

Alas, as Ulrich is in Geneva now, and I don't have his CIS-UID (I'll have to
use WinCIM I guess) this issue will probably rest for a while, until I can
establish contact, or he decides to join the discussion here.

Happy New Year, btw, and many thanks for the provided info.. I see this
forum/section, is just as lively as the HPHAND bunch I hang out with daily.

Greetings from Zuoz
 'lexu 

#: 79192 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Jan-97  22:58:36
Sb: #78356-NEWMAIL  No more ASCII
Fm: Manuel Izaguirre 71064,2546
To: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614 (X)

I believe that Z-m@il will be much more convenient, however, doesn't it
require a card to run, especially on the ZR-5000?  I can only use the PC modem
on my service, otherwise it times out.

Also, on Christmas day, since I was away from my desktop, I used the Z1 to
access my shell account.  All went well in downloading.  Uploads worked well
also, at least as far as results, but I couldn't tell on the screen that they
had been accomplished, so I sent each one twice.  Perhaps the echoing takes
longer than I expect, or the strings or Z needs tweaking.

Any ideas?  You seem very knowledgeable.

m.i.

#: 79197 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Jan-97  23:36:56
Sb: Z-em@il Login Problem
Fm: Marie Clapsaddle 71651,277
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

Scott,

I have version 1.1 installed and running on my Z2. (I'm using the sidecar
modem, if that makes any difference.)

So far, so good. I have a profile set up for two different internet providers.
I've tried both of them and have the same problem. I get a LOGIN ERROR. In
both cases, the login script works as far as dialing the number, making a
modem connection, passing along the account ID and password and getting as far
as the PPP connection. Then, it says:

PPP session from (202.239.70.12) to 202.239.70.119 beginning....~}#?!}!}!} }4}
"}&} } } } }%}&'A}<}'}"}(}"NA~~}#?!}!}"} etc. etc.

and after two screenfulls of this junk I get NO CARRIER and a report of a
LOGIN ERROR. (Other than inserting my own ID and password, I am using the
login script as is. )

The problem seems to be at the point where Z-Em@il tries to check or send
email. Maybe there's something wrong with the format of the POP User ID. I've
tried every format I can think of with the same results. Any ideas?

Marie



#: 79238 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    03-Jan-97  09:04:26
Sb: #78154-Z-Em@il 1.0 - 1.1 Update
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Sunil Mulchand 100426,3713

Message text written by Sunil Mulchand
>Isnt the Updater an EXE file anyway? What good will having the disk be?
Unless of course Rupp is going to mail out brand new copies of Z-eml 1.1 to
all users.

The patch updates the original disk, doesnt it? Scott, could you explain how
it works so perhaps I could figure a way out? <


Yes, the file is a DOS executable (RTPatch) which will update the ZPM file
(make the changes to the file to make it v1.1).

Scott (RTC)

#: 79357 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    03-Jan-97  20:07:40
Sb: #79241-Z-em@il Login Problem
Fm: Marie Clapsaddle 71651,277
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

Scott,

>>This is an easy one! In your script, it is still waiting for more stuff
which is not needed. Remark out the last two lines (where is waits for otocol:
or whatever and transmits ppp) with a ; (semi colon). You're just not getting
to the PPP negotiation and the script finally times out and disconnects.<<

You're 100 right! I put in the semi-colons and everything ran great. I did
have to use Sunil's Unix shell trick (Thanks, Sunil! Very helpful idea!) to
find out what the numerical address for the mail server was on both my
accounts, but everything is working smoothly now.

Thanks!  You've helped me keep my first New Year's resolution of the year. (To
get Z-Em@iler up and running this week.) Gee, guess I'm going to have to come
up with another resolution now...


Marie



#: 79405 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    04-Jan-97  07:27:11
Sb: #79338-Sprynet-Zemail?
Fm: Sasa 104311,1704
To: Mark J. Wojciechowski 76351,1424

: Does anyone know if Spynet is compatible with
: ZEmail.  Thanks in advance.

Yes it is. I  just got the program yesterday and am testing it now. It
logs-on, picks-up and delivers mail no problem.

I am even using it to log-on to local CSi numbers and then pick up mail via my
other ISP.

Sasa

Galaxy.2001@usa.net

GALAXY 2001
Computer Consulting

#: 80187 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    09-Jan-97  12:28:16
Sb: #ZEmail & PPP
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: All

Hi!

Just got ZEMail from Rupp this morning.
In trying to connect to my local ISP, I checked the Server IP Adress (My ISP
has one Adress for Pop3 and SMTP), Dial-In Number and so on.
And Zaurus dials, after two misses I got thru the Login Script (had to ; out
the Part with PPP Protocol, as this goes to PPP without Login Command, and now
it is stuck during the PPP Negotiation Process ...) ISP swears they don't uses
PAP or CHAP or so, just good ole, plain, down-to-earth PPP.
Rupp Manual says in Troubleshooting:" If PPP Negotiation fails, then it's
likely that your internet Provider is not offering a set of options compatible
with Z-Em@il." Famous Words! Wonder why they even bothered to print a manual?
Or can anybody imagine that this Non-Information is of any help to my ISP's
Service Person, as suggested in the Manual in the next line?

George, Bo, Anne, Sharp: Anybody who could come up with an idea?

By the way: Installing the Program via the DOS Setup Program does not work at
my PC. I have Sharp CE-IR4 on COM4, and there is nothing going on, the Program
just hangs ...

I transferred the Program File to PC Files section with RuppLynx, and
installed it from there.

#: 80197 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    09-Jan-97  14:28:23
Sb: #80187-ZEmail & PPP
Fm: David Ford 100354,3033
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302

Manfred

Is it running right through the log-in script, or does it seem to just jump to
PPP negotiation after running a bit of it - my experience was that if it found
something it didn't understand in the script, it tended to move directly to
PPP negotiation without completing the log-in.

If its not visibly stepping through each line during the log-in, the point
where it "loses the plot" may be a good place to start checking the script.

(Keep trying - it took me two holiday afternoons, much to the chagrin of my
wife and kids, to get a script that ran reliably.)

Hope this helps

David Ford

#: 80223 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    09-Jan-97  17:06:17
Sb: #80187-ZEmail & PPP
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302

>Command, and now it is stuck during the PPP Negotiation Process ...) ISP
swears they don't uses PAP or CHAP or so, just good ole, plain, down-to-earth
PPP.<

Ask your provider if they use static or dynamic IP addressing.  If they use
static,it won't work.  There is no place for the Z to define an IP address for
itself.  With dynamic, your ISP gives an IP address each time you log on.

If I ever figure out how to send the IP address as part of the script, I'll
Let you know.

Mike

#: 80237 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    09-Jan-97  18:40:30
Sb: #80187-ZEmail & PPP
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302

>>and now it is stuck during the PPP Negotiation Process ...) ISP swears they
don't uses PAP or CHAP or so, just good ole, plain, down-to-earth PPP.<<

Go to Setup and turn on Comm's Check.  Then try to connect to your ISP again
and watch carefully what happens on the screen.   It should show you where it
fails.  Post the results here and we will try to figure it out.

I presume that all the settings were triple checked by you.  The important one
is to make sure you have proper IP addresses and proper user ID and password
for your POP3 server (many ISPs will require you to enter "Pgeorge" as a login
name in the login script - to indicate that you want a PPP connection
established - and your POP3 logon name would then be "george" - without "P").

Cheers,

George
(via SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX)

#: 80278 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Jan-97  03:17:26
Sb: #80197-ZEmail & PPP
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: David Ford 100354,3033

Hi!

Thanks for Your Answer.

You wrote:
>Is it running right through the log-in script, or does it seem to just jump
to PPP negotiation after >running a bit of it - my experience was that if it
found something it didn't understand in the script, >it tended to move
directly to PPP negotiation without completing the log-in.

Well, I don't actually see it running thru the script, it just stops at the
PPP Neg thing, but:
When I had this third Part with PPP in the Script, the Error was different!

>If its not visibly stepping through each line during the log-in, the point
where it "loses the plot" >may be a good place to start checking the script.

With the Third Block in the script it lost track on an other location than
without, so I guess it went thru the first two lines of the script without
Problems, or?

Manfred

#: 80281 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Jan-97  03:22:40
Sb: #80238-#ZEmail & PPP
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: George Czajkowski 74131,2121 (X)

>>There is no place for the Z to define an IP address for itself. <<

I am not sure what you mean here.  There is a place in Z-Em@il where you
define IP address for both  IP
George,

When I use RAS on my PC, my ISP has given me an IP adress for my PC on his
network.  I cannot enter the IP address I would use fopr my PC in the Zaurus.
Therefore, I cannot be authenticated on the ISP's network.

I can get to the mail servers just fine through Compuserve, but I cannot even
get logged in to my ISP.  It hangs during PPP phase.  The do *not* use
PAP/CHAP.

Mike

#: 80308 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Jan-97  07:46:31
Sb: #80281-ZEmail & PPP
Fm: George Czajkowski 74131,2121
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534

>>When I use RAS on my PC, my ISP has given me an IP adress for my PC on his
network.  I cannot enter the IP address I would use fopr my PC in the Zaurus.
Therefore, I cannot be authenticated on the ISP's network.<<

Well, is this IP address in a non-standard format?  Is it in verbal format?
It they use standard numerical format (e.g. "207.216.2.4") then I do not see
why you could not enter it of why it would not work.  After all,  Z-Em@il
supports STANDARD numerical IP addresses.

Cheers,

George
*SHARP Zaurus ZR-5800FX user*

#: 80280 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Jan-97  03:19:04
Sb: #80223-ZEmail & PPP
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534 (X)

Mike,

>Ask your provider if they use static or dynamic IP addressing.  If they use
static,it won't work.  >There is no place for the Z to define an IP address
for itself.  With dynamic, your ISP gives an IP >address each time you log on.


They told me they can't give me my IP adress as this is dynamic ....

Thanks for the Answer!

MAnfred

#: 80359 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Jan-97  14:36:42
Sb: ZEmail CIS nogo
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517

Hi Bo,

writing to you as I got the script from one of your postings.

I was more into investigationg the problems when connecting to my Internet
Account via CIS.

First, I don't understand that you suggest 8N1 as opposed to 7E1 which i think
is the correct setting for Compuserve.

I tried logging in CIS thru my PC and Hyperterminal to understand the
procedure. When I log in with 8N1 i receive garbage from the Beginning, when I
log on with 7E1 I receive a Dialogue.
I understand that you need 8N1 for the PPP process, but how can you  overcome
the garbage at the log-in?
Maybe the Character : you use for waitfor is the same, it looks as so, but how
can the CIS Terminal understand your ID and Password?

One more thing: After connecting, I had to push >return< once to get the thing
going. If not, the terminal waits and waits and nothing happens. How do I set
this in the Script?
waitfor ""
transmit "^m"
or what? If I do this, what about the timing?

Here is a recording of my last session (in 7E1):

_ _ _ _ _ Begin _ _ _ _ _

Host Name:  CIS

User ID: 100072,1302/GO:PPPCONNECT
Password:




















PPP Connection       PPPCONNECT


One moment please...
~}#@!}!}!} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"k\~~}#@!}!}"} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]
; these chars
/}!}'}"}(}"!a~~}#@!}!}#} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"hr~~}#@!}!}$} }4}"}&}
; looked different
 }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"$}2~~}#@!}!}%} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"m~~}#
; on the screen than
@!}!}&} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"'<~~}#@!}!}'} }4}"}&} }*} }
}%}&3}]/}!}     ; they do now ...
'}"}(}"n/~~}#@!}!}(} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}".u~~}#@!}!})} }4}"}&} }*}
 } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"gf~~}#@!}!}*} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"-[~~}#@!}!}
+} }4}"}&} }*} } }%}&3}]/}!}'}"}(}"dH~
Disconnected from host
X.25  CS:000  DG:000


_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ End _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Once again, I initiated the process with a handmade >return<

On the Zaurus, I get sometimes PPP Negotiation, but then a timeout. Usually
the Modem hangs up without the Z recognising this.

Can You help? Please!

Manfred

#: 80393 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    10-Jan-97  21:45:34
Sb: #80359-#ZEmail CIS nogo
Fm: Aaron Chandler 105413,2523
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302 (X)

Be sure you use colons :   NOT semi-colons ;
You must use E71 with Cserve, don't worry about the garbage it will get
translated correctly.
Make sure you script looks excatly like this... excpet for ID & PASSWORD.


transmit "^C^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "CIS^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "YOUR-USER-ID/GO:PPPCONNECT^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "YOUR-PASSWORD^m"
waitfor "PPP"

#: 80412 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Jan-97  05:32:03
Sb: #80393-ZEmail CIS nogo
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: Aaron Chandler 105413,2523

Be sure you use colons :   NOT semi-colons ;

For what? For commenting (REMing out unwanted Lines in the Script? Rupp uses
Semicolons in the standard script! Or did I miss something else in your
Answer? Please explain!

Manfred Winter

#: 80396 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Jan-97  00:12:02
Sb: #80359-#ZEmail CIS nogo
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302 (X)

Hello Manfred

>I don't understand that you suggest 8N1 as opposed to 7E1 which i think is
the correct setting for Compuserve.<

I know, however the internet uses 8N1, and the automated login will understand
the characters as they come across.  I use the script I posted every day and
it works.

I don't know how the software deals with it though <g>

   Bo

#: 80413 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Jan-97  05:33:24
Sb: #80396-ZEmail CIS nogo
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517

Hello Manfred

>I don't understand that you suggest 8N1 as opposed to 7E1 which i think is
the correct setting for Compuserve.<

I know, however the internet uses 8N1, and the automated login will understand
the characters as they come across.  I use the script I posted every day and
it works.

I don't know how the software deals with it though <g>

   Bo

Neither do I, but your software at least works <bg>

Manfred

#: 80504 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Jan-97  23:56:19
Sb: #80452-#ZEmail CIS nogo
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302 (X)

Hello Manfred

Nothing personal, but yes you are right, using your own password may really
help. <g>

You could ofcause have your internet server forward your mail to your
CompuServe account while you are traveling?

    Bo

#: 81852 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    21-Jan-97  06:24:08
Sb: #81818-Internet Email
Fm: Jim Christian (Sysop) 74777,2604
To: A J Baxter 101754,1574

Buy (GO) Rupp EM@IL program. The library has a file on it as well as their
rupp.com web site has alot more. Their phone # is 800-844-7775.

Good luck.   --JHC

#: 82546 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    25-Jan-97  04:38:13
Sb: #82013-More update problems
Fm: Kable Singh 100434,2542
To: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 (X)

Charles,

I've investigated further and the missing @-and-following character did not
involve either CCZ or Z-Em@il.

It was actually a message created  in Eudora E-Mail on my PC and then received
into CIS Compuserve Navigator on my PC. It was from when I was testing the use
of just Kable@Compuserve.com using the Newmail facilities.

So 'my problem' is totally unconnected with any CCZ upgrade and not a Z-Em@il
problem.

I am only sending this message to stop any worries that Z-Em@il may be
affected as I wrongly stated.

regards,
Kable

#: 79870 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    07-Jan-97  15:42:29
Sb: 16 kB max message size ?
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Todd Carson 75507,2620 (X)


Topic: 16 k limit question?

Todd Carson wrote on:
TUE,  7 JAN, 1997, 01:38:11

Does the 16K limit that everyone is talking about affect only the actual
message part  of our Email, or does it also limit the size of PC file
attachments?

Specifically, can I still sucessfully send a PC file of 186,000 bytes as an
attachment?


Todd

The Zaurus MEU size limits apply only to the size of the message itself , this
is 16kB/kOct , including header.
The Z-Em@il plugin for Message (NOT CCZ) allows one to download a message
greater than this limit ,by transferring it to PC Files  and fetching it from
there into Documents one can recover the full text .
Attachments are not affected by this size limit , unless you MIME an
attachment and send it from the Internet into CompuServe! !
Please Note! !
Also take note that MIMEing an attachment can drastically increase (i.e
doubling) its size ! !
To check if a MIMEd file is received in its entirety look for a combination of
characters at the end that looks like this:
=--1916408552-410461501-846798149=:1347--

Regards
"kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
106016,3614



#: 84715 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    08-Feb-97  04:06:49
Sb: Tales From Comnet
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: all

As I  write this, I'm on a plane headed for Chicago.  I still get looks when I
whip the Z out and start working.

Tale #1: Co-worker who used to have a 5000 complains to me his NEC WinCE
machine can't connect to his e-mail.  I show him the 5800.  He's upset he
bought the WinCE machine.  ope I get ZAP2 soon.  That will be the last straw.

Tale #2:  I have time between sessions, so I find a "quiet" corner and set up.
Battery pack, AT&T 3762, Nokia phone.  Voila!  Connected to CServe and got my
forum stuff.  OK, now for the fun part.  Z-Em@il connects to CServe and voila
#2.  Internet e-mail.  The looks from the folks waiting to access a terminal
are precious.  "Is that a WinCE machine?" one guy asks.  My reply, "No, this
one works."

To the Scott's: The 5800, Z-Em@il, and a cell phone are unbeatable!

Mike
Still working on PGP.....

#: 85244 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    12-Feb-97  01:13:12
Sb: #3500x Sofware Install
Fm: Richard Rodriguez 76641,570
To: CAMPBELL, SCOTT 75300,2046 (X)

Scott:

Have tryed to install ZM@il and am not having any luck identifying the flash
memory even after initalizing for programs.

The software indicates there is not enough room in main memory.

Any thoughts on what I could be doing wrong.

-Rich
via 3500X from Albuquerque

#: 85309 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    12-Feb-97  09:45:42
Sb: #85244-3500x Sofware Install
Fm: Scott Campbell (SHARP) 75300,2046
To: Richard Rodriguez 76641,570 (X)

Rich,

How much main memory do you have available?  Installing to FLASH requires
about 64K- 70K of memory in the main unit.

If that isn't it, drop Scott Glasgow of Rupp a note to see if there is some
other special requirement that I don't know about.

Regards,

- Scott -

#: 85505 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    14-Feb-97  06:33:07
Sb: #85465-POP & internet software!
Fm: John Chybinski 72762,70
To: Andrew Kwan 106141,1133

Andrew,

Rupp makes a product called Z-Em@il, that is a POP3/SMTP Mail client.

While I don't use it (yet), I have seen threads from others on this software
in this forum, and in the Rupp forum (GO RUPP). There is also a file or two on
the software in the Zarus File Library here.

Regards,
John 

#: 86063 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    18-Feb-97  10:38:36
Sb: #85369-Can't read MIME e-mail!!
Fm: Scott Campbell (SHARP) 75300,2046
To: Justin B. Poy 105044,2426

Justin,

CompuServe doesn't support MIME attachments.  You'll need to purchase Rupp's
Z-Em@il and install it.  You'll also need an account with an ISP.

Regards,

- Scott -

#: 85805 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    16-Feb-97  14:58:22
Sb: #Z-Em@il
Fm: Sid Gershberg 71706,1517
To: Lorentzen, Bo (Sys 75300,2517 (X)

I have an account with a local internet provider which works perfectly.  I
have not been able, however, to connect via Compuserve.  I would like to be
able to do so because I am going to be away for a couple of weeks and I would
like to be able to connect locally via CIS.  I hope you can help.  The
following is the script I have been using to connect via CIS.  I have tried
both using E71 and 8N1.  Neither works.  I seem to get hung up at User ID.

transmit "^C^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "CIS^M"
waitfor ":"
tranmit "71706,1517/GO:PPPCONNECT^M"
waitfor ":"
transmit "My CIS Password^M
waitfor "ppp default^M"

Thanks for any herlp you can givre me.

#: 85834 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    16-Feb-97  19:48:22
Sb: #85805-#Z-Em@il
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Sid Gershberg 71706,1517 (X)

Hello Sid...


transmit "^C^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "CIS^M"
waitfor ":"
tranmit "71706,1517/GO:PPPCONNECT^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "My CIS Password^m"
waitfor "PPP^m"

OK try this, remember the ^m after the password.

   Bo

#: 85969 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Feb-97  20:26:42
Sb: #85834-#Z-Em@il
Fm: Sid Gershberg 71706,1517
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 (X)

Bo

I tried again.  It connects.  Goes though to about 30 lines of garbage then
disconnects and records a login error.  Have tried using both 8n1 and 7E1.
Still no go.  Any other suggestions.  Thanks.

Sid

#: 85979 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Feb-97  23:29:53
Sb: #85969-Z-Em@il
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Sid Gershberg 71706,1517 (X)

Hello Sid,

Well I really can't help you with just one pice of information, is the lines
of garbage in the window which comes up when you are whatcing the comms check?
What modem are you using, and so on, like what are your current settings and
init string? Sid you have not told me anything to help me so far.

   Bo

#: 85811 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    16-Feb-97  15:40:39
Sb: Z-Em@il
Fm: George Fragos 102741,1410
To: Rupp

I see that release 2 is in our future and that it has the features necessary
for use by the business user.  My question is, will R2 be a no charge update
to R1 owners?

George (ZR-5000FX & CCZ)

#: 199580 S10/Rupp Corporation
    17-Feb-97  04:38:34
Sb: #199572-#Release date for Zmail 2
Fm: Larry Nelson 72622,3576
To: Peter Geraldino 105704,1365 (X)

I notice that www.rupp.com mentions the next release of Zem@il, release 2.0 I
believe, is scheduled for March.

I have been using Zem@il for several weeks, and find it reliable, but with
some faults.  If a wish-list is being assembled, my desired features would
include spell checking, a fix so that one can edit the email address picked up
from a message in the IN folder (my replies always fail as Zem@il picks up too
much text from the address), and the possibility of changing the default
dial-up script (I can't even paste to the script composition window - perhaps
I'm doing something wrong?).

Larry Nelson
Perth, W. Australia
nelson@educ.curtin.edu.au

#: 199590 S10/Rupp Corporation
    18-Feb-97  19:49:54
Sb: #199580-Release date for Zmail 2
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: Larry Nelson 72622,3576 (X)

>too much text from the address), and the possibility of changing the default
dial-up script (I can't even paste to the script composition window - perhaps
I'm doing something wrong?).<

Larry,

Check www.rupp.com for some of the anticipated features.

As for changing the script, I use cut and paste all the time.

Mike

#: 87672 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Mar-97  00:19:12
Sb: #87668-#Zm@il on CIS?
Fm: Kable Singh 100434,2542
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517

Bo, and RAD,

Until you can get version 2 of Z-Em@il the 'delay' command will not work so
try the script just removing the 'Delay 80'.

If the local server you log onto is like the US ones then it should work.

If it has the long delays of the UK ones then it may time-out.

Give it a go.

regards,
Kable (Winchester UK)

#: 88013 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    03-Mar-97  23:01:46
Sb: #87965-Email Headers?!? Argh!
Fm: Kable Singh 100434,2542
To: W J Smith 107753,733

Bill,

Yes, I appreciate that Internet to Internet mail generally has the option to
not display the header information but Internet to CIS doesn't fall into that
category and that was the point I wanted to make. I wish that it did exist as
I too hate all those lines and lines of unwanted 'data'.

On a happier note, I can confirm that Z-Em@il does not display the header
information in the body of the text. If you want to see details of who sent
the message and who else received it you just click on the To button and the
information is there.

regards,
Kable (Winchester UK)


#: 199781 S10/Rupp Corporation
    11-Mar-97  14:46:43
Sb: #199733-Zmail Script for IBM.NET
Fm: Gary Small 76147,114
To: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232

Z-Em@il 1.x will not work with ibm.net because they require PAP/CHAP
authentication. 2.0 will support CHAP/PAP, DNS, and more. You can use your
Compuserve account for PPP connect and get mail from IBM.NET that way. The
POP3 IP addresss should be 204.146.45.251

Scott,

Thanks for the reply. I am confused now about your solution. Are you saying
that I can get my IBM.NET mail using the Compuserve applet built into the
Zaurus, or using Zemail?

If I can do this with the Compuserve applet, how do I use PPP? Is there a file
somewhere describing this?

Since I just purchased Zemail about 2 weeks ago, what are the upgrade options
for ver 2, and approximate time frame on availability?

Thanks,

Gary


Date:  04-Mar-97 11:25 PST
From:  Rupp Technology Corporation [75300,1232]
Reply to: Z-Em@il

Message text written by Jim Christian (Sysop)
>Scott, I use AT&T of which version 1 doesn't support. If 2 does, send it to me
& I'll test it for you.
<

2.0 does work with AT&T Worldnet. It has been tested extensively. We are just
waiting on Microsoft for the last of the MS CHAP information and we will be
ready to ship.


Distribution:

To: Jim Christian (Sysop) > [74777,2604]



#: 89717 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    14-Mar-97  23:01:32
Sb: #89206-Z@MAIL
Fm: Calvin Wong 100314,1710
To: J. Jackson 107764,1267

JJ
>Has anyone had any luck connecting to a server that uses server assigned DNS
addresses.  My I.P.  "randomly assigns" DNS address and I receive errors when
I try to connect.  Any suggestion???<

When you say DNS addresses, I assume that you mean IP address, which
identifies your Z as an internet terminal.  A Domain Name Service is like an
address book which maps names (eg www.acme.com) to IP addresses (eg
123.456.78.90).

While I know most ISP use DHCP to assign IP address to people logging in to
the service (but that should not affect you using Z@mail), I have never heard
of a DNS having random IP address - are you sure you have the correct IP
address for your mail server?

Can you describe the problem you have in logging in.

Rgds, Calvin

#: 89968 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Mar-97  07:56:58
Sb: #89956-Zm@il on CIS?
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Mike Hatzakis 71251,1124

Hello Mike,

I am not sure what you have to pay for the FLASH RAM card but it is cheaper
than a SRAM card.

Yes the PILI requires just about 400k itself, that is because it creates a
workspace in the memory.

The RUPP software are called Z-em@il and are for internet e-mail if you use
another ISP, the software from Pygmy is written by SHARP and is the same which
is build in to all the new Zaurus models, it will also access your "new-mail"


   Bo

#: 90024 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Mar-97  12:27:09
Sb: #89023-Z-Em@il???
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Michael Disabato 72253,1534

Message text written by Michael Disabato: "I just came from the Rupp site and
noticed the teaser for Z+Eml Ver 2.0 is gone.  Anyone have any status on this?
Scott?"

We try to keep the changes coming. Z-Em@il 2.0 is complete except for support
for Microsofts version of CHAP which we are working with them on. We'll have a
demo version of 2.0 available on our web site in the future.

Regards,
Scott

#: 90073 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    17-Mar-97  17:04:52
Sb: #90024-Z-Em@il???
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232

>We try to keep the changes coming. Z-Em@il 2.0 is complete except for support
for Microsofts version of CHAP which we are working with them on. We'll have a
demo version of 2.0 available on our web site in the future.<

Scott,

Sounds great!  Any idea on pricing for those of us with Ver 1.0??

Mike

#: 90226 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    18-Mar-97  13:28:02
Sb: #90172-4ward E-mail ISP to CIS?
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 (X)

Z-Em@il 2.0 works with AT&T Worldnet.

How much space do you have available on your 5000 main ram? We could attempt
to install the applications for you if you sent me the card. It would take me
about a two day turn around (it may go back out the same day if I am
successful right away).

If you do send it to me, make sure it goes to my attention (Scott Glasgow) and
that you email me letting me know it is on its way and who you shipped it
with.
Email me at my internet address since I am not always able to connect here.

Regards,
Scott (sglasgow@rupp.com)

#: 199733 S10/Rupp Corporation
    06-Mar-97  09:00:21
Sb: #199649-Zmail Script for IBM.NET
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Gary Small 76147,114

Message text written by Gary Small: "Getting nowhere with Zmail and my ISP.
Using IBM.NET which has 2 POP3 servers. I use POP1.ibm.net, and my desktop
client has me put in that name. I do have the DNS numbers correct, but I don't
get past the initial screen. "

Z-Em@il 1.x will not work with ibm.net because they require PAP/CHAP
authentication. 2.0 will support CHAP/PAP, DNS, and more. You can use your
Compuserve account for PPP connect and get mail from IBM.NET that way. The
POP3 IP addresss should be 204.146.45.251

Regards,
Scott
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 199834 S10/Rupp Corporation
    18-Mar-97  13:47:27
Sb: #199781-Zmail Script for IBM.NET
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Gary Small 76147,114 (X)

You can use Z-Em@il 1.x to make a PPP connection to CIS and grab your mail
from IBM (unless they block outside traffic).

As for the upgrade, I do not have details yet. I will post information on the
upgrade when we are closer to release. We will also be posting a demo version
of Z-Em@il 2.0 that will be a working version. Z-Em@il 2.0 is in a holding
pattern while we work with Microsoft to try and implement their version of
CHAP so that we will be fully compatible with RAS servers.

Regards,
Scott (sglasgow@rupp.com)

#: 199750 S10/Rupp Corporation
    07-Mar-97  21:49:19
Sb: #199734-Zemail & Concentric ISP
Fm: JAMES M. SZIDIK 76554,1035
To: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232

Scott:

Concentric Research support states that thht do not require PAP/CHAP.

Some kind civilian who monitored  my online dilema finally helped me out with
a script that works - sometime.  Your Rupp staff kept giving me scripts that
excluded the last line ( transmit "ppp^m" ) of the following:
__________________________________________________________
waitfor "user:"
transmit "<<your username>>@ppp^m"

waitfor "ssword:"
transmit "<<your password>>internet^m"

transmit "ppp^m"
__________________________________________________________
Don't type in the "<<" or ">>" symbols

You should pass this script  on to your support staff so that the other
Concentric customers can have at least a taste of the way the program should
operate.  The credit for the above should go to a CIS Palm B Forum user named
Harold M. Goldner  70741,2346.

Speaking of version 2.0, I certainly hope your management doesn't try to pry
more bucks loose from its loyal customers who bought 1.x .  An upgrade fee is
acceptable for product enhancements.  An upgrade fee is NOT acceptable for
features that finally make a product usable.

Thanks for contacting me back.   I have certainly enjoyed the several OTHER
Rupp sofware products I have purchased.  Zem@il is the first one that I
experienced a disappointment with.

Jim



#: 199833 S10/Rupp Corporation
    18-Mar-97  13:43:18
Sb: #199750-Zemail & Concentric ISP
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: JAMES M. SZIDIK 76554,1035

2.0 will contain product enhancements. The enhancements include CHAP/PAP
authentication support, DNS support, two new script commands, enhanced PPP
negotiations. I will pass the script along.

Regards,
Scott (sglasgow@rupp.com)


#: 74110 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Dec-96  10:14:20
Sb: #74038-e-mail
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Ben Mabini 105226,521

Hello Ben,

I am a bout as lost as you are, but the guy down at my Internet Service
Provider (ISP) told me that I did not have a PPP (Point to Point Protocol?)
account, and that if I had such a account with another company I could use it
to get the e-mail off his server.  (I was confused+

The reason seems to be that the POP3 (Post Office Protocol) server is accessed
with a URL (Uniform Resourse Locator).  And the tec guy told me that the
software will do the same thing no matter where it connects to the net.  In
other words the mail is retreived "over" the net, not within the local server,
I (being use to CompuServe) thought that I would have to dial into the server
and then retreive my mail,  but here I dial into the server, and surf the net
to get to my mail box (back at the same server).   This is why the procedure
works just as good via a CompuServe PPP cnnection.

Now the slirp account I have... I don't know what it stands for, but the issue
is that the ISP saves money and space by not having a permanent PPP waiting
for me, and uses a software to "emulate" the PPP when I dial in, the Z-em@il
have a problem with that.

All CompuServe customers have a PPP account included in their membership, this
saved me money, because instead of upgrading my ISP account to true PPP, I use
my excisting CompuServe account to access the POP3 e-mail box.

Ben I am sorry but this is the best I can explain this. I really don't
understand it 100% myself.  I hope that Jon or George can jump in here and
explain in more details.

   Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 74210 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    02-Dec-96  17:46:51
Sb: #74136-e-mail
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: George Czajkowski 74131,2121

Hello George,

Keep everything the way it works with your ISP right now, then change the
phone number to your CompuServe number and try the script I use:

transmit "^C^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "CIS^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "75300,2517/GO:PPPCONNECT^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "password^m"
waitfor "PPP"

Let me know if it works for you.

   Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 74368 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    03-Dec-96  09:43:31
Sb: #74331-#e-mail
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 (X)

Michael,

May I break in?
I use CIS mainly for some Support Reasons, like this great Shoot-Out I
currently stick to with Bo (bg)

Also, I have an Internet Provider here in my hometown Vienna, Austria, who
gives me excellent Speed and Value for Money.
But, and this is the point where I would like to draw your Attention to, when
I am out of Town, out of Country or even out of Europe (and that is what i am
quite frequently), I could very well connect to my local Viennese ISP from,
say, a Hotel Room in Honkkong or Kingston, but the Phone Costs would be
prohibitive.
CIS on the other hand has local Dial In Points practically everywhere, so I
safe a lot of phonebill money using my accouint and the PPP Dial-In Connection
in getting my Mail from my Provider's POP Server, connecting locally via
phone, and leave the rest to the Internet.
In case this works, and I have no reason to disbelive, this would safe some $
for me, as long as ZEMail will be shipping soon.

Manfred


#: 74531 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    04-Dec-96  07:49:29
Sb: #74368-#e-mail
Fm: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222
To: Manfred Winter 100072,1302 (X)

Manfred:

     I understand your points. However, CIS for instance does not allow
attachments or binary files to others not inside its service. So I need
another provider. AT&T offers 5 hours free if you also use it for long
distance. But it has no shell accounts (and lately service problems). So I
need another service to access Lynx and Pine from my Z. My kids like the
sections on AOL, so they want it. Some of my clients use other proprietary
services. You see where I'm going. I spend so much time with work arounds and
multiple accounts that I wind up spending much more each month.

    And that's not even talking about what happens when CIS decides to bundle
MSIE, which tries to wipe out my AT&T Netscape (which I had to reconfigure
because AT&T only provides 2.0, with Eudora Lite, unless you have Windows '95,
where you can have 3.0, with included E-mail. I have Win 95 on my own home PC,
but not my on daughter's PC upstairs, or my office.I still can't get that darn
Inbox thing in Win'95 to work. It goes on and on and I'm spending the first
three hours of my day reading E-mail from different people on different
services from people who live in California or log on at night, then the last
three responding to what came in during the afternoon from Europe.

   Somehow, the paradigm is not quite working for me.

 - Michael -

#: 74930 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    06-Dec-96  09:09:10
Sb: #74839-e-mail
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: George Czajkowski 74131,2121

Message text written by George Czajkowski
>So, it may be a work around for people with SLIP and/or CHAP/PAP accounts,
right?  You can still access your Internet e-mail using ver. 1.0 of Z-Eml,
just go through CIS, correct?

Providing you are a CIS member...

What about AOL members?  Can they also get PPP connection to AOL and get mail
from their ISP through there?<

Yes, they can connect via CIS and get mail off of ANY server that supports
POP3. As for AOL, unfortunately no because they do not use PPP. They are
proprietary apparently. I tried and tried. I contacted GNN to see what their
connection is (which is owned by AOL) and they said they do not do PPP that
they use a proprietary protocol. I looked at AOL and GNN login scripts for
their apps, and tried to mimick them to get a PPP connection and it was no go.

Regards,
Scott
sglasgow@rupp.com

#: 75494 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    09-Dec-96  08:49:17
Sb: #75053-e-mail
Fm: Rupp Technology Corp. 75300,1232
To: Kable Singh 100434,2542

Message text written by Kable Singh
>I do understand the theory that once you have a TCP/IP  connection you can
use it for many applications. I also do understand that if I have a PPP
connection through Compuserve and specify my local ISP Net address I should be
able to get my E-Mail anywhere that has Compuserve/PPP connection.

However when I try to run the script to connect to Compuserve using the
Compuserve Tel. No, my Compuserve Id, Compuserve Password the connection just
'hangs' and the disconnection just shows 'Communications Error'. <

Well, in theory yes.....for a computer. Think of PPP and your network. Once
you are connected, you are connected. TCP/IP based applications do not care
where you are connected as long as you are connected. TCP/IP is a networking
protocol. As for the CIS stuff, talk to Bo since he posted the script. You may
need to adjust your script if you are connecting to a different network to
reach CIS. Look at your CIS client on your PC and find out what connection it
is configured to use. There are several of them.

Scott (RTC)

#: 78061 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    27-Dec-96  11:08:15
Sb: 16 kB max message size ?
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Nathan Wajsman  100712,3112

Nathan wrote this morning:

Is the above correct? If so, it may be worth it for me to get Z-Em@il just to
be able to read those longer messages. Also, would it be very hard to set it
up to retrieve my AT&T Mail?

Thanks,
Nathan


Yes it is possible to set up Z-Em@il to retrieve your AT&T Mail .
The X400 and Internet mail systems share the same infrastructure as well as
servers.
Your Internet and X400 mailboxes may even reside on the same server!
You have to set up your AT&T mail account in such a way that you can access it
with an Internet mailclient as well as with the AT&T mailclient in your US Z2.
X400 is in fact an Internet mail standard.
see also RFC1506 one of the documents I tried to send to you.

Regards "kits"

De groetjes "kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
CIS:106016,3614
kitsvh@bio.vu.nl
http://www.bio.vu.nl


#: 78310 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    28-Dec-96  22:33:04
Sb: #78248-#Z-mail won't work
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Alexander Gutfeldt 100527,2461 (X)

Hello Alexander

I do use my Zaurus every day to fetch my internet e-mail (bo@citiusa.com)
using CompuServe as the ISP using the script which I did post earlier.  So do
several other users which also have POP3 internet e-mail and need a local PPP
connection.  The missing PPP makes me wonder if I did give him the PPP connect
script.  What I use right now in my Zaurus to connect to PPP via CompuServe
looks like this:

transmit "^C^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "CIS^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "75300,2517/GO:PPPCONNECT^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "my_password^m"
waitfor "PPP"

It is important to remember that even though CompuServe generally use 7E1 to
set the dialup settings to 8N1.

Let me know if any of this works for you.

   Bo

#: 78336 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  05:45:20
Sb: #78311-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Byron S Cooper 105064,113

<  I can log on but it stalls after the username prompt. Has anyone figured
this out for them? >

I had this problem and noticed that my script said
WAITFOR: "name:"
instead of
WAITFOR "name:"
so the Z-em@il didn't understand the command and didn't transfer the name.
Are you dialing up directly or through CIS? If you post your script here, we
may find something you overlooked.

Good luck,
Marcus
*via Sharp Zaurus 5800 & PCMCIA*
green@userwst2.fh-reutlingen.de

#: 78647 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    30-Dec-96  19:27:50
Sb: #78411-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Byron S Cooper 105064,113

< Thanks! You solved it! For anyone who has concentric network Here is the
script:
wait for "username"
transmit "bscooper@ppp"
waitfor "word"
transmit "my specific password^m" >

Byron,
you're very welcome. Glad it works for you :-)

Marcus
** via Sharp Zaurus 5800 fx **

#: 80403 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Jan-97  03:05:59
Sb: #80316-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Kable Singh 100434,2542
To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517

Bo,

Alexander's experience exactly matches my own. I have tried all the variations
suggested and still end-up with 'no carrier'.

I tried the PC Terminal emulation in CIS and that really tells me that without
a WAITFOR parameter which can specify a much longer wait period I will not be
able to make it work using Z-M@il.

I have not given up -- and will try it from time to time hoping that the
servers over here improve to the same level of response as you seem to get.

Thanks for all your advice so far.

By the way I completely endorse everyone' comments about the benefits to us as
users and Sharp as the supplier if they included real end-users in Beta
versions.

I have applied the enabler as you can probably tell from my comments above <g>

regards,
Kable

#: 80440 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    11-Jan-97  09:50:31
Sb: #80403-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Kable Singh 100434,2542

Hello Kable

>I tried the PC Terminal emulation in CIS and that really tells me that
without a WAITFOR parameter which can specify a much longer wait period I will
not be able to make it work using Z-M@il.<

If I recall Scott's messages right... I think that the Z-em@il don't timeout,
but that it waits for the server to hang up.

Sorry to hear that you took the jump,  I hope that you will still be able to
work with your Zaurus, without too much problems,  I have not applied the
patch, mainly because I hate to have to mess with my PC laptop, right now I
think that I am pretty happy about that.

    Bo

#: 78335 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  05:45:11
Sb: #78314-Z EMail
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Francoise Cooen 100244,2017 (X)

< I have been looking in the Library for a file with some scripts.  But cannot
find any. >

Francoise,
I understand how you feel. It took me about two weeks (many hours each night)
until I finally got it to work for me. In the process, I became pretty
experienced in scripting, I think.

Make sure you have the right IP numbers, you may try swaping them also.

If it helps at all, here's my script:

waitfor "ogin:"
transmit "green^m"
waitfor "word:"
transmit "PASSWORD^m"
waitfor "erv>"
transmit "ppp^m"
waitfor "MTU"
transmit "^m"

Try to logon in terminal mode and see exactly what happens until you get to
the prompt where you can enter "ppp". (You can do an ASCII download while in
terminal to record everything into a document for later reviewing.

If you want, set a new temporary password, and send me your IP numbers, login
name and password, and I will give it a try. (use my address below) Also, if
you know what the name of the server is where your eMail sits, I could help
you ping it. That helped me because in my case, my sys admin had given me the
wrong IP numbers.

Anyway, good luck. :-)
Marcus
*via Sharp Zaurus 5800 & PCMCIA*
green@userwst2.fh-reutlingen.de

#: 78335 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  05:45:11
Sb: #78314-Z EMail
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Francoise Cooen 100244,2017 (X)

< I have been looking in the Library for a file with some scripts.  But cannot
find any. >

Francoise,
I understand how you feel. It took me about two weeks (many hours each night)
until I finally got it to work for me. In the process, I became pretty
experienced in scripting, I think.

Make sure you have the right IP numbers, you may try swaping them also.

If it helps at all, here's my script:

waitfor "ogin:"
transmit "green^m"
waitfor "word:"
transmit "PASSWORD^m"
waitfor "erv>"
transmit "ppp^m"
waitfor "MTU"
transmit "^m"

Try to logon in terminal mode and see exactly what happens until you get to
the prompt where you can enter "ppp". (You can do an ASCII download while in
terminal to record everything into a document for later reviewing.

If you want, set a new temporary password, and send me your IP numbers, login
name and password, and I will give it a try. (use my address below) Also, if
you know what the name of the server is where your eMail sits, I could help
you ping it. That helped me because in my case, my sys admin had given me the
wrong IP numbers.

Anyway, good luck. :-)
Marcus
*via Sharp Zaurus 5800 & PCMCIA*
green@userwst2.fh-reutlingen.de

#: 78355 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  09:17:37
Sb: NET on the Z
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Marcus Green  100445,2577 (X)

Marcus Green 100445,2577 wrote:

Okay, I have a 28.8 (which I never got working in terminal above 9600 , CCZ
fine @ 14.4). So that should work. I'll give it a try. Sounds very simple.
Thank you for such a useful tip :-)


Well you have to carry out somelittle tricks to "hide" for the Zaurus the data
rates at wich the modems have to communicate in order to carry out the
error-correction and link-negotiation protocols necessary for an error-free
ASCII up/download
Remember that you do not use any protocol like HMI ,XMODEM etc to carry out
your text transfer .

The trick is here Full Hardware Flow Control an d the only way to implement it
is to include the initialisation  of the modem   in the loginscript.
You have to study the manual of the modem very carefully in order to find the
responsible commands.

De groetjes "kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
CIS:106016,3614
kitsvh@bio.vu.nl
http://www.bio.vu.nl



#: 78356 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  09:18:10
Sb: NEWMAIL  No more ASCII
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Manuel Izaguirre   71064,2546

 Manuel Izaguirre wrote on:
 MON, 16  DEC, 1996, 09:41:14



You can upload a document, however I can't say I did it effectively with
consistency.

Indeed you can upload/download docs but the bad news is tha you need a
****correctly initialised Z-compatible PCMCIA modem **** to do it with any
consistency and without errors as you have to use the ASCII up/download
functions.
Furthermore you can only send/receive plain ASCII , i.e plain text ,NO
formatting ( it arrives as asingle line or paragraph  at the destination) no
foreign characters and the same applies to your attachments.
In order to send formatted text (even formatted ASCII) OR binaries you MUST
have alocal mailclient like Z-Em@il.
PINE supports only binary / formatted text attachments if run locally , NOT
from a dial-up connection.


De groetjes "kits"
Arent Kits van Heijningen
CIS:106016,3614
kitsvh@bio.vu.nl
http://www.bio.vu.nl


#: 78358 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    29-Dec-96  09:19:29
Sb: #Modem sleep timer:@3min?
Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614
To: Bo Lorentzen (Syso 75300,2517 (X)

You wrote:
.....if you let the unit cook a little it wil after about 4-5 minutes give you
a "protocol time out error" that is not your fault, but gennerally because
CompuServe is not replying at that moment......

My PCMCIA modem has an inactivity timer that -when set -  disconnects and
shuts down the modem after a given period of inactivity .
I have set this (S30=18) at 3 min .
You mentioned that CServe and CCZ time out after 5 min of inactivity, to be
completely sure in the event of a crash I have activated this timer and set it
to 3min by including its S register and required value in my initstring.
My question : is this a realistic value , taking in to account that average
online time is now about 4 min total ,including message up/downloads.

"kits" 

#: 78647 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    30-Dec-96  19:27:50
Sb: #78411-Z-mail won't work
Fm: Marcus Green 100445,2577
To: Byron S Cooper 105064,113

< Thanks! You solved it! For anyone who has concentric network Here is the
script:
wait for "username"
transmit "bscooper@ppp"
waitfor "word"
transmit "my specific password^m" >

Byron,
you're very welcome. Glad it works for you :-)

Marcus
** via Sharp Zaurus 5800 fx **

#: 78685 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    30-Dec-96  23:47:55
Sb: #78314-Z EMail
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: Francoise Cooen 100244,2017

Hello Francoise,

I still suggest using the CompuServe connection,  set up for 8N1 and use my
script, you should be on-line.


transmit "^C^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "CIS^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "75300,2517/GO:PPPCONNECT^m"
waitfor ":"
transmit "password^m"
waitfor "PPP"

I really do use this script everyday.

    Bo

(via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot)

#: 92774 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    04-Apr-97  07:57:33
Sb: #92400-#Zemail & CIS & 1 Line
Fm: Manfred Winter 100072,1302
To: Blaine Leckett 73730,761

Blaine,

As far as I could find out, the trick only works with the not-yet-released
Version 2.0 of Zemail (of which I was lucky to get a (limited) test version
that helped me thru my US trip in March, but has now expired.

The idea is as follows: You dial into Compuserve, direct the connection (via
Internet) from Compuserve to your ISP, get your Messages from there send over
thru Compuserve. So you need to identify yourself as CIS user first in order
to access their service, then "tunnel" thru to your ISP and identify yourself
there once again.

You don
#t need DNS entiies of CIS.

Got the Point?

Manfred

#: 82394 S9/Sharp Zaurus
    24-Jan-97  07:55:49
Sb: #82373-z-mail setup
Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517
To: R.A. RYERSON 105533,3115

Hello Richard,

You are welcome, you can naturally send e-mail from your Zaurus to any
internet account by adding "internet:" in front of the address like this
internet:bo@citiusa.com  and email send to your compuserve address from the
internet will arrive at your mailbox, the address you want to give out is
105533.3115@compuserve.com notice that the comma in the userid have changed to
a period.

   Bo

From My Apple/Mac

#: 200011 S10/Rupp Corporation
    16-Apr-97  18:07:14
Sb: #199997-PPP Failure
Fm: Michael Disabato 72253,1534
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 (X)

>and to contact them. Fine, but what sorts of questions exactly do I ask???
They had previously told me that they do not use PAP or CHAP what else could
be the problem?<

Michael,

Ask them if they are using static IP addressing.  If so, Z-Em@il will not
work.  Your ISP must use dynamic addressing.

Mike

#: 200032 S10/Rupp Corporation
    17-Apr-97  16:26:37
Sb: Z-em@il Fails after PPP 
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Mark Novack 71564,2365

Check your SMTP and POP3 numbers to see if they are correct. Also, check to
see if you need to put a capital "P" in the userid to establish a proper
connection(or in some cases userid.ppp)

You might want to give us a call at 602-941-5602 if you still have that
problem.

Thanks for the question

Brian Cross
Rupp Tech Support

#: 200033 S10/Rupp Corporation
    17-Apr-97  16:30:27
Sb: PPP Failure
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222

You might want to verify that the SMTP and POP3 numbers are the correct
numbers and that your userid and password are stated the same as when you dial
out using your computer. If you are still having difficulty, give us a call at
602-941-5602.

Thanks for the message

Brian Cross
Rupp Tech Support

#: 200034 S10/Rupp Corporation
    17-Apr-97  16:34:22
Sb: PPP Failure
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222

I would say in the next 3-4 weeks or so as a round estimate.  You may need to
contact the sales department about what to do about upgrades and costs.

If you have access to the Rupp Website, then ZEMAIL 2 will most likely be
posted as to when it's available.

That's a pretty bad thing for your provider to do. But luckily, ZEM@IL 2 will
take care of the PAP problem.

Thanks for the question

Brian Cross
Rupp Tech Support

#: 200033 S10/Rupp Corporation
    17-Apr-97  16:30:27
Sb: PPP Failure
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222

You might want to verify that the SMTP and POP3 numbers are the correct
numbers and that your userid and password are stated the same as when you dial
out using your computer. If you are still having difficulty, give us a call at
602-941-5602.

Thanks for the message

Brian Cross
Rupp Tech Support

#: 200034 S10/Rupp Corporation
    17-Apr-97  16:34:22
Sb: PPP Failure
Fm: Rupp Corporation 75300,1232
To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222

I would say in the next 3-4 weeks or so as a round estimate.  You may need to
contact the sales department about what to do about upgrades and costs.

If you have access to the Rupp Website, then ZEMAIL 2 will most likely be
posted as to when it's available.

That's a pretty bad thing for your provider to do. But luckily, ZEM@IL 2 will
take care of the PAP problem.

Thanks for the question

Brian Cross
Rupp Tech Support