#: 77364 S9/Sharp Zaurus 20-Dec-96 16:21:41 Sb: Personal Addresses Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: All I have just had some mail from Compuserve to tell me that my personal address now works. I have tested my Zaurus and all seems to be fine (So far). My new address is -- cnewgas@compuserve.com My old address of 101612,3123 also still works. I have hit one snag. The Compuserve navigator software can not seem to handle the new style address when sending. I am sure Compuserve will sort this bug out soon. (I hope so anyway) Regards to you all Happy Christmas, Charles. (Hertfordshire, England) #: 129087 S6/Communications 20-Dec-96 15:39:05 Sb: #129082-mail access Fm: Rich Emmings 72150,452 To: Denis Corbo 102130,3024 RE: >>Since Compuserve is changing mail server in favor of HMI protocol, how are we gonna get our mail within CIS for Newton.<< I'm wondering the same, but CIS is reportedly promising a POP3 server, so this may be the means of transport, via PPP and TCP/IP instead of HMI. #: 77479 S9/Sharp Zaurus 21-Dec-96 18:54:40 Sb: #77460-NEWMAIL Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 To: Hal Meyer 71333,2770 Hal FWIK You should not notice any changes using the NEWMAIL with the ZR5800 and the AutoPilot, unless you are a terminal user there is no change in the interface for you. Bo #: 77511 S9/Sharp Zaurus 22-Dec-96 04:42:13 Sb: #77479-NEWMAIL Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 Bo & Hal, (& All) I have switched over to NEWMAIL and it is "switched on". Terminal no longer works on my 5800. Autopilot works fine. The Compuserve method (without pilot works fine) I have had a four glitches with using my name etc for sending. Sometimes the service does not recognize that it is a named address and rejects sending the message. Compuserve know of this problem & said it should be fully fixed by 01st January 1997. Regards. Charles. (Hertfordshire, England) cnewgas@compuserve.com #: 77520 S9/Sharp Zaurus 22-Dec-96 06:55:51 Sb: #77431-EM@il Help Fm: Ron Luks (SYSOP) 76703,254 To: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614 I dont know if the automatic MIME encoding/decoding will be implemented in the next release of NEWMAIL or the one after that. I'll try to get more info for everyone next week when I return from vacation. #: 77567 S9/Sharp Zaurus 22-Dec-96 14:16:13 Sb: #77552-Personal Addresses Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: Kable Singh 100434,2542 (X) kable, When I use navigator it will not accept addresses that are in the NEWMAIL style unless I put INTERNET: first eg--- INTERNET:kable@compuserve.com This is most annoying I am using ver 1.1.1 and CIS ver 3.0.1 with W95 Apart from that all seems to be OK Regards, Charles. #: 77651 S9/Sharp Zaurus 23-Dec-96 07:59:04 Sb: Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: LORENTZEN Bo (SYSOP 75300,2517 Bo, Here is my next update on Newmail use from a Zaurus. I have spent all morning (well 2 hours actually) on the phone to Compuserve. they told me that unless one uses version 3.0.1 of the Compuserve software one will have to prefix named addresses with INTERNET: This is so that compuserve treats any address with the @ symbol as an Internet address. Version 3.0.1 does this automatically. Perhaps we will get a new version of the Zaurus Autopilot & Zaurus CIS software to not need the prefix. BUT, somehow I doubt it. I will keep you posted on what else I find out, Regards, Charles. (Hertfordshire England) "Via Sharp ZR-5800FX +AutoPilot" #: 77669 S9/Sharp Zaurus 23-Dec-96 10:27:20 Sb: #77651-#Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 To: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 Charles: In response to your note, I sent you three E-mail messages from CCZ. One via your old numeric address (to verify it still works); two, via INTERNET:cnewgas@compuserve.com; and three, simply cnewgas@compuserve.com. When I logged on, CIS would not accept the third message due to the addressing format. Please tell me what you receive. - Michael - 73377,2222 MHCohn@compuserve.com #: 77694 S9/Sharp Zaurus 23-Dec-96 11:50:46 Sb: #77669-#Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Ann Harrell 76161,55 To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 (X) Michael: >> In response to your note, I sent you three E-mail messages >>from CCZ. One via your old numeric address (to verify it still >>works); two, via INTERNET:cnewgas@compuserve.com; and three, >>simply cnewgas@compuserve.com. When I logged on, CIS would not >>accept the third message due to the addressing format. so.... if I want to send to Charles at his new CIS address from my Zaurus... I should enter his address as an Internet address??? The Z won't send to cnewgas? I can live with that from my Z.... It will make it a little trying to set up a new Internet field so perhaps we should stick to the numeric addresses on our Z's? Phew.... this could get confusing!! Ann_Harrell@compuserve.com annharell@aol.com 2:34 PM, 12/23/96 #: 77713 S9/Sharp Zaurus 23-Dec-96 14:17:20 Sb: #77694-Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 To: Ann Harrell 76161,55 >> I should enter his address as an Internet address??? << Well, I don't know yet which of the three messages he received, and since it's about 10:30pm there now, might not find out till tomorrow. >> It will make it a little trying to set up a new Internet field so perhaps we should stick to the numeric addresses on our Z's << CIS says that the the numeric ID is still necessary to log on and will remain in forum messages, so there's no hurry in changing. I've been using my Contacts # for a Cyberspace Directory, and have separate fields for CIS and Internet IDs. However, since CCZ gives the option to choose Internet as the type of E-Mail address, I've lately been putting people with Internet addresses into my CIS field too. That way they come up automatically in the address book and I just change the default CompuServe to Internet. Now the real question is, how should you re-format your contacts lists if you also use Z-Em@il? Since I haven't gotten it yet, I haven't had to face that question. Perhaps Rupp can add a second level to Word Chains, where you get convert CIS type addresses to Internet ones using the numerical value of letters of the alphabet... - Michael - #: 77722 S9/Sharp Zaurus 23-Dec-96 16:18:01 Sb: #77669-#Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 Michael, I have received 2 e-mail addresses perfectly as well as this Forum message. All seems to work fine in receive mode. The ONLY annoyance to me is that I have to put INTERNET: before and mail address if it is not a numeric one. Regards, Charles. <> #: 77781 S9/Sharp Zaurus 24-Dec-96 07:38:37 Sb: #77725-Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Michael H. Cohn 73377,2222 To: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 Charles: Yes, I received all your messages, thanks. I've also received (on PC and Zaurus) messages from others via the Internet addressed to me as MHCohn@compuserve.com. So generally this seems to be working, as far as my uses are concerned. I am only having a few minor problems with my OLR, which seem solved or solvable. What I learned over there, though, may be useful if others have problems with NewMail. Apparently: >>you arrive on the system on your 'home host', the one to which your account is assigned. It polls the mail host on which your NewMail account is housed and there is often a substantial delay, especially if the mail host is bogged down or in trouble, as is often the case of late. [Frequently] The mail host doesn't respond in a 'reasonable' amount of time<< This causes some of the OLRs to miss waiting mail. Apparently, also, not all home hosts (and mail hosts) are reacting the same or the same at all times. My guess is that "regular" CCZ users should not have any problems, since most problems are arising when the mail host does not respond in a reasonable amount of time and the comm program takes that as an indication of no mail waiting. "Regular" CCZ users must make a definite mail pass, whether or not they know or think that they have mail waiting. However, users of Autopilot *might* have a problem, depending on how it works. If it depends on a signal from the mail host that mail is waiting, then it might take a delay as an indication that there is no mail waiting and move on, missing mail that is actually there. Perhaps if anyone here does have problems with getting mail via their Zaurus, one thing to try would be to change the Timeout if NOT Connected In setting in CCZ. Although that seems to refer to initial connection, it *might* also work if the connection is lost going back to HMI after checking the mail host. Since my 5000 does not have Autopilot, I probably won't learn of any potential problems except via forum messages. Happy Christmas to you. - Michael - #: 77762 S9/Sharp Zaurus 24-Dec-96 02:26:58 Sb: #Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614 To: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 (X) Charles wrote on TUE, 24 DEC, 1996, 01:34:16 But ......... I do not need to use the INTERNET: prefix in Compuserve software version 3.0.1 I DO need to use it with Compuserve Navigator or on my Zaurus (5800FX).. This is not logical. Well today I carried out the following experiment 1 Prepare a small msg in Documents , thereafter copied it to PC FILES and CCZ used the PC Files copy as an attachment and sent the stuff to the addresses listed with one addition , I used CIS:cnewgas instead of your numeric address in one of the Cc's If everything works you would now receive four copies , two of them with an attachment Please keep us posted Regards "kits" BTW for this forum posting I will also give your name ID a try. Just tried it and it appears that it did not work (yet). #: 77785 S9/Sharp Zaurus 24-Dec-96 08:21:43 Sb: Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: ARENT KITS VAN HEIJNINGE 106016,3614 To: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 Charles Newgas wrote on : TUE, 24 EC, 1996, 15:56:09 Arent, I have received 4 messages on e-mail. 2 on Compuserve e-mail, One at my office & this one. I have copied them & sent them back to you to see. Regards, Charles. Well I have only received two copies so far , the second one was partially garbled . Did you try to send that one from one of your Internet accounts? As for the syntax of named addresses it appears that "CIS:cnewgas" did the trick. I have send only one message but I HAVE it Cc'ed to all your other Email addresses . So apparently "CIS:cnewgas" did the trick. The attachment was essentially a copy made to PC FILES to see if MIME was already operational. With apologies for this little inconvenience it had caused to you I sign off with Seasons Greetings "kits" #: 77792 S9/Sharp Zaurus 24-Dec-96 09:27:10 Sb: #77722-#Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Robert R. Napitupulu 73052,677 To: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 (X) Charles, Regarding the new mail address, when you type send to internet:cnewgas@compuserve.com, will it treat the message as an internal mail or treat it as an internet mail, because I think they will charge you if you send an internet mail ..... Also, when you received the mail that is addressed to you with an @ symbol from internal (CServe) do you received a mail header? (several lines of info at the beginning of your mail). I just would like to check if the mail has to go out from the gateway first and then come back in again to CServe. Thank you very much, and Merry Christmas to you -RobertN #: 77800 S9/Sharp Zaurus 24-Dec-96 11:04:45 Sb: #77792-Newmail on a Zaurus Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: Robert R. Napitupulu 73052,677 Robert, I think that Compuserve treat internet:cnewgas@compuserve.com as internet mail. BUT, I do not think it actually goes out into the BIG SYSTEM. It is easy to check ... Send me 2 e-mail messages one by 101612,3123 method & one by internet:cnewgas@compuserve.com method I will send them both back to you. You will see by the top of the messages exactly how they came. Regards, Charles. Happy Christmas (Eve) #: 129157 S6/Communications 24-Dec-96 19:50:32 Sb: #129151-CIS Mail send/receive Fm: allen lefohn 75655,1156 To: Eric Sohn (Sysop) 102404,3625 Eric: I have been discussing the problem with Customer Service for the last 5 days. It seems that they have no clue that the new mail system has wiped out the ability for Newton users to access their mail. They also said there is no way to get back into the OLDMAIL system. When I try to use GO OLDMAIL, it simply says that the area is not recognized. Customer Service confirmed that it is now impossible to go back to the old mail system. They don't seem to have a fix for Newton or other Palm Computer users. I also have the problem trying to telnet into the CompuServe system from Europe now. It is possible to telnet back into CompuServe, but I think it will be impossible to download one's own mail using the telnet approach. This makes it hard on those of us in the business world who want to use a colleague's computer at a university to telnet to CompuServe and download our own mail. I am not sure that progress has occurred in switching to the new HMI- compatible system. It seems to lock out a very important group of users for the time being. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Allen #: 53227 S9/Sharp Zaurus 10-Jul-96 18:05:26 Sb: #53195-Term Access? Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 To: Andy Rathbone 75300,1565 Andy, GO REGISTER to get a name address, the catch is that you loose the ability to use the ASCII account, or so I hear at least. Do you still have the ASCII account after you got the new address? Bo #: 53284 S9/Sharp Zaurus 11-Jul-96 02:02:15 Sb: #53227-Term Access? Fm: Markus Weber 101530,10 To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 << GO REGISTER to get a name address, the catch is that you loose the ability to use the ASCII account, or so I hear at least. >> GO OLDMAIL might do the trick. I don't know whether this reverts the mail access protocol back to ASCII, or completely disables the fancy address. Cheers -Markus #: 65274 S9/Sharp Zaurus 02-Oct-96 20:30:01 Sb: #Zaurus + CIS NewMail Fm: R. A. Davis 74022,557 To: Ann Harrell 76161,55 (X) > At last!!! I signed up for that in January, I think. How do you activate that name option? I got my name activated in late 95 while attending a convention. The service really does work, but they haven't made it available to the masses yet. I've switched over to the new mail system twice and have switched back to old mail twice. It takes at least twice as long to retrieve messages from the new system and sometimes literally 10 times as long! It might have something to do with me being in Hong Kong, but I doubt it. Named address from CompuServe: CIS:RAD Named address from the Internet: rad@cis.compuserve.com RAD Work: 70560,715 Internet: rad@rmii.com Homepage: http://rmii.com/~rad #: 72271 S9/Sharp Zaurus 21-Nov-96 20:43:16 Sb: #72152-CIS Upgrade for 5800 Fm: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 To: Michael Wochinger 100701,361 (X) Hello Michael First to cover the Zaurus, the Z will connect to the new-mail and it do support HMI which is what CompuServe is changing to. The Zaurus will also connect to your ISP send and receive e-mail via a POP3 client. There is no net browser for the Zaurus at this point. Bo (via SHARP ZR-5800FX+AutoPilot) #: 77582 S9/Sharp Zaurus 22-Dec-96 16:06:47 Sb: #77574-NEWMAIL Fm: Charles Newgas 101612,3123 To: Bo Lorentzen (Sysop) 75300,2517 Bo, Herewith Report no 1 on the workings of the Sharp Zaurus using both Compuserve mail and Autopilot with "NEWMAIL" addresses. All tests were done from my home using my ZR-5800FX. THESE TESTS & RESULTS ARE RE E-MAIL ONLY -- NOT FORUM MAIL (YET) SENDING MAIL FROM A ZAURUS. In both Compuserve mail & Autopilot sending mail (to myself usually) with the recipient address of cnewgas@compuserve.com did NOT work. I then re-tried using the INTERNET: prefix eg INTERNET:cnewgas@compuserve.com From My Zaurus in both Compuserve mode & autopilot there was no problem. The messages were sent perfectly. RECEIVING MAIL SENT FROM A ZAURUS ON A ZAURUS Mail sent from a Zaurus using an address like INTERNET: cnewgas@compuserve.com via Autopilot had no problems. Mail sent from a Zaurus using the same address as above but using Compuserve software on the zaurus had no problems also. The net results of this test show that using the new addresses are no problem provided that INTERNET: is put first in all addresses This applies to Zaurus use only (so far). A note to all Compuserve Navigator users. The same results seem to apply on sending mail Add the INTERNET: prefix to the address. When using compuserve software ver 3.0.1 there is no need for the INTERNET: prefix. I hope this helps some of you. The tests will continue and more reports will follow in a day or two. If there any specific tests that you want done please ask - I have access to 2 compuserve accounts. One set up with NEWMAIL and one not done. An Internet account, a Zaurus ZR-5800FX, a PC and a host of other software and hardware bits. Regards, Charles (Hertfordshire England) 101612,3123 or 101612.3123@compuserve.com or cnewgas@compuserve.com or INTERNET:cnewgas@compuserve.com #: 78566 S1/Forum Business 30-Dec-96 11:28:27 Sb: #78288-NEWMAIL bad - here's why Fm: Ron Luks (SYSOP) 76703,254 To: Marcus Green 100445,2577 Marcus: Thats what the forum staff has been trying to convey to the users here. At this time, changing to NEWMAIL is something we just cant recommend. Stick with OLDMAIL. #: 81504 S9/Sharp Zaurus 19-Jan-97 12:17:07 Sb: #81497-Cserve Email ? Fm: Jim Christian (Sysop) 74777,2604 To: Donna J. Berkley 75060,742 The Z works OK with the Newmail using the built in Compuserve program. It won't work with the built in TERMINAL mode as that is ascii and the Newmail doesn't support ascii. If they have a 5000 w/o the optional Compuserve program they'll have to change back to Oldmail. If they're using Newmail & the Z's terminal mode (in any model) have them change back to Oldmail or buy the addable <$100 Compuserve program from Pygmy at website pygmy.com. Good luck, Donna. --JHC P.S. the library has a file named ZNEWMAIL.TXT, or something like that, that may help.