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labor
User ID: 0798784 Jun 30th 6:53 AM
Well, I have rather spontaneously decided to go to Leipzig tonight. My brother is doing a little presentation there on an event somehow connected to the monument that needs to be repaired... Anyway, is some fellow denizen of the board based in Leipzig/visiting Leipzig at the same time? I know that it is unlikely to organize something on such short a notice, but who knows ;)?

labor
User ID: 0798784 Jul 3rd 9:33 AM
Yes, Min, I have already realised that Cologne = K�ln ;). Learn something new every day...

Well, as to Leipzig, I have met a few interesting people there and the city itself is quite nice from the fist glance... But there is little behind the fassade and past glory. IMHO in itself Leipzig merits only a one day visit and I really wonder why GRRM wants to hold a signing there. If he will be signing in Frankfurt and in Berlin I might very well go there instead, unless a good "board" society will head to Leipzig.

brosan
User ID: 9809413 Jul 3rd 9:39 AM
Min,

uuupss.. sorry the question was, of course : Why shouldn't he do Cologne too?

Labor,

The Elstercon, one of Germany's bigger SF-Cons is held there in October. Reason enough for him (and me (hehe)) to go there.

The link for the elstercon is

http://apple.rz.uni-leipzig.de/fksfl.html

Padraig
User ID: 2951094 Jul 3rd 1:36 PM
LindaElane, half your enthuasism is gone! Say it ain't so.

BTW did you start reading it before your holiday? Just curious;-)

LindaElane
User ID: 0276214 Jul 3rd 6:22 PM
Padraig: It isn't so :-) Thanks for your kind inquiry. I was feeling rather down amd tearful last night. Talk about getting involved with the characters! However, I am feeling only about 20 percent waned at the moment :-) Its because I noticed something important in the text, so its not quite as bad as I had originally thought. Also, I can now see why GRRM felt he had to do this.

Yes, I could not resist reading some before my holiday. I stopped after 200 pages out of 934, so my willpower held out somewhat, but not utterly.

Btw, some of your theories are very warm indeed! I shan't say which so as not to give spoilers :-o

LindaElane
User ID: 0276214 Jul 3rd 8:03 PM
Ok, I admit skipping ahead and reading one POV chapter past the first 200 pgs...and....looking at the last page of the second to the last POV. My willpower is failing....failing......

Padraig
User ID: 1028194 Jul 4th 5:15 PM
LindaElane you are the only person I know with a copy of aSoS. I can be very kind when I want to be;-)

So I got close to the truth on a few things... My mind is going in fifty different directions now.

Waiting is killing me here. I don't know what I would do if I had the book and tried to put off reading it for a few weeks. It'd take more than willpower;-) Anyway enjoy!

Min
User ID: 0860834 Jul 5th 4:04 AM
brosan, good idea. I might write him and ask. Are you German, too, or why do you know that bookstore?

Labor, Leipzig, as some of the eastern cities, is still in no good shape after the fall of the wall. Dresden is a wonderful city, though, as are Weimar and Erfurt (wehich are much smaller, though). But huge parts of eastern Germany are still not well cared off.
GRRM might want to sign there, though, because Leipzig has a very old book tradition. Before Germany was divided after the war, Leipzig had been the big place for books, with a fair as big as the Frankfurt / M one, even bigger. It all died down with the division. Oh well.

Hey, we should really communicate about to how signing we would like to go, and meet there. Nice supplement to meeting the master would be meeting some of the boardfriends. :-)

labor
User ID: 0798784 Jul 5th 4:22 AM
He-he, Min, not only is brosan German, he is also from K�ln umm... Cologne ;). In fact, at first I thought that he was your recruit to ASOIAF cause ;).

Anyway, yes, I think that going to GRRM's German signings is a good opportunity for us denizens of the board to meet in the flesh.

Even if it should be in Leipzig ;)...

brosan
User ID: 9809413 Jul 5th 10:18 AM
Min, Labor,

my whereabouts can be read after in OTHER TOPICS (1) / Who are you? in the last 20 messages.

Oh, yeah - let�s talk about East Germany. Last time I�ve been there was when we were asked to do a concert in a town near the Czech boarder. It was officially organised by the head of the cities youth office, so I said ok and signed the contract.
When we arrived at the given adress, it was a huge turn-of-the-century villa in the middle of nowhere and inside it was furnished with lots of red velvet. It was then when we found out that this guy also was the head of the local Sadomasochist�s Club, and that we should play there.
I really can�t describe it fully here, but the concert was very weird, a little bit scary and made me stay away from East Germany since then...
(I did not made that up).

brosan
User ID: 9809413 Jul 5th 10:23 AM
Hmm,

just revisited the site of the Elstercon - they�ve added a biography of GRRM there.

http://apple.rz.uni-leipzig.de/FKSFL/Elstercon/Basis/Martin.html

The interesting part is that they write: "Sein Romanzyklus "Ein Lied von Eis und Feuer" entwickelte sich zum Bestseller und verschaffte dem Autoren einen der h�chsten je gezahlten Vorsch�sse."

Which roughly means that ASOIAF is so successful that he received one of the highest advance-payments ever...

Ran
User ID: 0867924 Jul 5th 10:53 AM
I don't know, exactly, whether it'd count as one of the largest advances, but . . .

There was apparently a bidding war in the U.K. to get the rights to publish the series. David Langford reported in the February 1994 editiun of _Ansible_ (link to follow):

George R.R.Martin's fantasy trilogy `A Song of Fire and Ice' sold here for �450,000 after an epic Battle of Dinosaurs between Legend's John `It's my round!' Jarrold and ultimately victorious Malcolm `It's your round!' Edwards of HarperCollins.

[End Quote]

And, remember, this was for when it was an untested trilogy or so. ;)

_Ansible_ is an Hugo-winning fanzine put together by David Langford (who has won some personal Hugos as well, IIRC.) It provides a smattering of amusing anecdotes, interesting news, and exhaustive information interesting only to the fen, especially the British fen.

To learn more about _Ansible_ and David Langford, you can try:

http://www.ansible.demon.co.uk/

LindaElane
User ID: 0276214 Jul 14th 8:07 PM
Thats rather interesting. Does that mean GRRM got the whole 450,000 pounds? Does that mean that he will get more money for books 4,5, and 6, since he originally sold a trilogy?

LindaElane
User ID: 0276214 Jul 14th 8:07 PM
Thats rather interesting. Does that mean GRRM got the whole 450,000 pounds? Does that mean that he will get more money for books 4,5, and 6, since he originally sold a trilogy?

Ran
User ID: 0867924 Jul 14th 8:12 PM
I think that I have no clue whatsoever. ;) I take it that the �450,000 is the advance against royalties, and so he would have gotten it all (minus the agent's cut and so on), but I'm not really certain. I wouldn't ask. ;)

Gap Hermit
User ID: 1278884 Jul 15th 1:34 AM
He may very well get more money for books 4, 5 and 6. Steven Erikson got a million and a half dollars (I think, or else 1 1/2 million pounds) for 9 sequels to Gardens of the Moon. If Erikson, a new author (new pseudonymn, actually, but new fantasy author nonetheless), can get that much, then GRRM, an established author, should surely get that much for all six books. Amazing, isn't it? But, good for GRRM!

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labor User ID: 0798784	Jun 30th 6:53 AM Well, I have rather spontaneously decided to go to Leipzig tonight. My brother is doing a little presentation there on an event somehow connected to the monument that needs to be repaired... Anyway, is some fellow denizen of the board based in Leipzig/visiting Leipzig at the same time? I know that it is unlikely to organize something on such short a notice, but who knows ;)?
labor User ID: 0798784	Jul 3rd 9:33 AM Yes, Min, I have already realised that Cologne = K�ln ;). Learn something new every day... Well, as to Leipzig, I have met a few interesting people there and the city itself is quite nice from the fist glance... But there is little behind the fassade and past glory. IMHO in itself Leipzig merits only a one day visit and I really wonder why GRRM wants to hold a signing there. If he will be signing in Frankfurt and in Berlin I might very well go there instead, unless a good "board" society will head to Leipzig.
brosan User ID: 9809413	Jul 3rd 9:39 AM Min, uuupss.. sorry the question was, of course : Why shouldn't he do Cologne too? Labor, The Elstercon, one of Germany's bigger SF-Cons is held there in October. Reason enough for him (and me (hehe)) to go there. The link for the elstercon is http://apple.rz.uni-leipzig.de/fksfl.html
Padraig User ID: 2951094	Jul 3rd 1:36 PM LindaElane, half your enthuasism is gone! Say it ain't so. BTW did you start reading it before your holiday? Just curious;-)
LindaElane User ID: 0276214	Jul 3rd 6:22 PM Padraig: It isn't so :-) Thanks for your kind inquiry. I was feeling rather down amd tearful last night. Talk about getting involved with the characters! However, I am feeling only about 20 percent waned at the moment :-) Its because I noticed something important in the text, so its not quite as bad as I had originally thought. Also, I can now see why GRRM felt he had to do this. Yes, I could not resist reading some before my holiday. I stopped after 200 pages out of 934, so my willpower held out somewhat, but not utterly. Btw, some of your theories are very warm indeed! I shan't say which so as not to give spoilers :-o
LindaElane User ID: 0276214	Jul 3rd 8:03 PM Ok, I admit skipping ahead and reading one POV chapter past the first 200 pgs...and....looking at the last page of the second to the last POV. My willpower is failing....failing......
Padraig User ID: 1028194	Jul 4th 5:15 PM LindaElane you are the only person I know with a copy of aSoS. I can be very kind when I want to be;-) So I got close to the truth on a few things... My mind is going in fifty different directions now. Waiting is killing me here. I don't know what I would do if I had the book and tried to put off reading it for a few weeks. It'd take more than willpower;-) Anyway enjoy!
Min User ID: 0860834	Jul 5th 4:04 AM brosan, good idea. I might write him and ask. Are you German, too, or why do you know that bookstore? Labor, Leipzig, as some of the eastern cities, is still in no good shape after the fall of the wall. Dresden is a wonderful city, though, as are Weimar and Erfurt (wehich are much smaller, though). But huge parts of eastern Germany are still not well cared off. GRRM might want to sign there, though, because Leipzig has a very old book tradition. Before Germany was divided after the war, Leipzig had been the big place for books, with a fair as big as the Frankfurt / M one, even bigger. It all died down with the division. Oh well. Hey, we should really communicate about to how signing we would like to go, and meet there. Nice supplement to meeting the master would be meeting some of the boardfriends. :-)
labor User ID: 0798784	Jul 5th 4:22 AM He-he, Min, not only is brosan German, he is also from K�ln umm... Cologne ;). In fact, at first I thought that he was your recruit to ASOIAF cause ;). Anyway, yes, I think that going to GRRM's German signings is a good opportunity for us denizens of the board to meet in the flesh. Even if it should be in Leipzig ;)...
brosan User ID: 9809413	Jul 5th 10:18 AM Min, Labor, my whereabouts can be read after in OTHER TOPICS (1) / Who are you? in the last 20 messages. Oh, yeah - let�s talk about East Germany. Last time I�ve been there was when we were asked to do a concert in a town near the Czech boarder. It was officially organised by the head of the cities youth office, so I said ok and signed the contract. When we arrived at the given adress, it was a huge turn-of-the-century villa in the middle of nowhere and inside it was furnished with lots of red velvet. It was then when we found out that this guy also was the head of the local Sadomasochist�s Club, and that we should play there. I really can�t describe it fully here, but the concert was very weird, a little bit scary and made me stay away from East Germany since then... (I did not made that up).
brosan User ID: 9809413	Jul 5th 10:23 AM Hmm, just revisited the site of the Elstercon - they�ve added a biography of GRRM there. http://apple.rz.uni-leipzig.de/FKSFL/Elstercon/Basis/Martin.html The interesting part is that they write: "Sein Romanzyklus "Ein Lied von Eis und Feuer" entwickelte sich zum Bestseller und verschaffte dem Autoren einen der h�chsten je gezahlten Vorsch�sse." Which roughly means that ASOIAF is so successful that he received one of the highest advance-payments ever...
Ran User ID: 0867924	Jul 5th 10:53 AM I don't know, exactly, whether it'd count as one of the largest advances, but . . . There was apparently a bidding war in the U.K. to get the rights to publish the series. David Langford reported in the February 1994 editiun of _Ansible_ (link to follow): George R.R.Martin's fantasy trilogy `A Song of Fire and Ice' sold here for �450,000 after an epic Battle of Dinosaurs between Legend's John `It's my round!' Jarrold and ultimately victorious Malcolm `It's your round!' Edwards of HarperCollins. [End Quote] And, remember, this was for when it was an untested trilogy or so. ;) _Ansible_ is an Hugo-winning fanzine put together by David Langford (who has won some personal Hugos as well, IIRC.) It provides a smattering of amusing anecdotes, interesting news, and exhaustive information interesting only to the fen, especially the British fen. To learn more about _Ansible_ and David Langford, you can try: http://www.ansible.demon.co.uk/
LindaElane User ID: 0276214	Jul 14th 8:07 PM Thats rather interesting. Does that mean GRRM got the whole 450,000 pounds? Does that mean that he will get more money for books 4,5, and 6, since he originally sold a trilogy?
LindaElane User ID: 0276214	Jul 14th 8:07 PM Thats rather interesting. Does that mean GRRM got the whole 450,000 pounds? Does that mean that he will get more money for books 4,5, and 6, since he originally sold a trilogy?
Ran User ID: 0867924	Jul 14th 8:12 PM I think that I have no clue whatsoever. ;) I take it that the �450,000 is the advance against royalties, and so he would have gotten it all (minus the agent's cut and so on), but I'm not really certain. I wouldn't ask. ;)
Gap Hermit User ID: 1278884	Jul 15th 1:34 AM He may very well get more money for books 4, 5 and 6. Steven Erikson got a million and a half dollars (I think, or else 1 1/2 million pounds) for 9 sequels to Gardens of the Moon. If Erikson, a new author (new pseudonymn, actually, but new fantasy author nonetheless), can get that much, then GRRM, an established author, should surely get that much for all six books. Amazing, isn't it? But, good for GRRM!