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Luke__ Mar 24th 4:08 PM

The book is obviously a succession war, and that might change in a while. But for now, it is about being king. But king of what. Is this book about the throne of Westeros with occasional chapters around the world, or are the other nations going to become active in the upcoming events. What could cause them to go active, an invasion by the Others? An extremly terrible winter? or both?

haaruk Mar 24th 9:08 PM
There seems to be activity on all fronts actually. Mellisandre is from Asshai with an interesting agenda. Illyrio has ambitions as do the terrible trio in Quarth. There are threads of involvement everywhere.

Blaise
User ID: 8068153 Mar 25th 7:55 AM
In the recent GRRM on-line chat, he said he would be including maps of areas beyond Westros in future books. I agree with Haaruk, there will be action on other fronts and the Dothraki (with their incredible battle skills), probably via Dany, will be involved.

Ran
User ID: 0283314 Mar 25th 11:37 AM
He didn't say that there would be maps of areas beyond Westeros.

He simply said that there would be more maps. I myself took this to mean that we'll get more detailed maps of places like the Neck, the North, and the area about the Wall.

I suppose it can mean the eastern continent as well though. Except I do believe I recollect him saying something about not being interested in drawing out the eastern continent. I may be mis-remembering however.

Anyone else recall that comment?

Fourthman
User ID: 0923684 Mar 25th 11:57 AM
I can half rememebr something to that effesct, but it may have been secondhand, certainly not on the Legends BBS or in last week's chat.

KAH
User ID: 9209903 Mar 25th 12:00 PM
I think I maybe also seem to recall something of that effect. :)

Anyway, I've always had a feeling that everything outside Westeros would be outside the storyline in most of the series. Dany will end up sooner or later in the Seven Kingdoms, and then we will have no more people outside. (unless we get a whole lot of Stark exiles)

The only things that need a resolution in the east, is (IMHO) Quaithe, and Mago and his cronies (Dany swore he would pay).

Ser Benjen
User ID: 1195644 Mar 25th 12:43 PM
The series is concentrated on Westeros. But just like in reality, the political and cultural events that occur are not entirely without foreign influence.

The series itself will include and hopefully conclude some conflicts and events that began years before aGoT started. Such as the deposition of the Targaryen rulers. The coincedence of a long winter and the appearence of the Others hints of some return of the older races of Westeros, like the Children of the Forest and the green men. The wall was built something like 7 or 8 thousand years before aGoT and we are going to find out why . Maybe at the end Westeros won't need their Wall anymore.

Blaise
User ID: 8068153 Mar 25th 12:43 PM
I get the distinct impression Arya may be going overseas at some point in time to deliver that coin of hers.

Fourthman
User ID: 0923684 Mar 25th 1:16 PM
Why have Mohammed go to the mountain, when the mountain will most probably come to Westeros?

KAH
User ID: 9209903 Mar 25th 2:27 PM
Because the Mountain was grinded down by the Stone Mill?

Claidhaim
User ID: 9544623 Mar 25th 2:32 PM
****LOL****

Blaise
User ID: 8068153 Apr 1st 2:00 PM
Ser Benjen, it strikes me that maybe in the end the peace-loving people will move north and use the Wall to keep the war-mongers locked away in the Seven Kingdoms!

Ser Benjen
User ID: 1195644 Apr 1st 2:08 PM
I think alot of peace-loving people would get eaten but he Others in that case.

Blaise
User ID: 8068153 Apr 1st 2:37 PM
Good point! The trick would be to get the Others lumped in with the war mongers in the south.

Revanshe
User ID: 1404584 Apr 4th 5:59 PM
While everyone south of the wall is fighting, Dany will come and try to take over.

Except the Others will be coming at the same time, so Dany will have to put aside plans of domination, and help save her kingdom instead!

Snake
User ID: 0018434 Apr 7th 12:43 PM
I think the books are about the Starks and their fate and the fate of their world.

Ser Gary
User ID: 8068153 Apr 7th 1:35 PM
You raise an interesting point, Snake. Up to this point, we have come to identify more with the Starks, but maybe that will change in the next couple of books. Perhaps the focus will shift instead to the Targaryen(s). I think GRRM has sent us a clear message that we should never count on expecting the expected.

Revanshe
User ID: 1404584 Apr 8th 11:40 PM
Others have mentioned on other boards that the fate of the Starks (in particular, Robb) = the fate of the north. Perhaps, its more accurate to say 'the fate of the Starks, the fate of the world?"

Ser Gary, I dont think the focus will shift completley to the Targaryens, because we still only have one Targaryen POV, and that is Dany! The focus, however, may shift away from the Starks as the books go on.

Martin in the chat mentioned that Ned, a Stark, was the dominant character in AGOT, while Tyrion, not a Stark, was the dominant character in ACOK.

Maeglin
User ID: 9259363 Oct 15th 3:48 AM
But there is still only one Lannister POV and five Stark ones

Luke__	Mar 24th 4:08 PM The book is obviously a succession war, and that might change in a while. But for now, it is about being king. But king of what. Is this book about the throne of Westeros with occasional chapters around the world, or are the other nations going to become active in the upcoming events. What could cause them to go active, an invasion by the Others? An extremly terrible winter? or both?
haaruk	Mar 24th 9:08 PM There seems to be activity on all fronts actually. Mellisandre is from Asshai with an interesting agenda. Illyrio has ambitions as do the terrible trio in Quarth. There are threads of involvement everywhere.
Blaise User ID: 8068153	Mar 25th 7:55 AM In the recent GRRM on-line chat, he said he would be including maps of areas beyond Westros in future books. I agree with Haaruk, there will be action on other fronts and the Dothraki (with their incredible battle skills), probably via Dany, will be involved.
Ran User ID: 0283314	Mar 25th 11:37 AM He didn't say that there would be maps of areas beyond Westeros. He simply said that there would be more maps. I myself took this to mean that we'll get more detailed maps of places like the Neck, the North, and the area about the Wall. I suppose it can mean the eastern continent as well though. Except I do believe I recollect him saying something about not being interested in drawing out the eastern continent. I may be mis-remembering however. Anyone else recall that comment?
Fourthman User ID: 0923684	Mar 25th 11:57 AM I can half rememebr something to that effesct, but it may have been secondhand, certainly not on the Legends BBS or in last week's chat.
KAH User ID: 9209903	Mar 25th 12:00 PM I think I maybe also seem to recall something of that effect. :) Anyway, I've always had a feeling that everything outside Westeros would be outside the storyline in most of the series. Dany will end up sooner or later in the Seven Kingdoms, and then we will have no more people outside. (unless we get a whole lot of Stark exiles) The only things that need a resolution in the east, is (IMHO) Quaithe, and Mago and his cronies (Dany swore he would pay).
Ser Benjen User ID: 1195644	Mar 25th 12:43 PM The series is concentrated on Westeros. But just like in reality, the political and cultural events that occur are not entirely without foreign influence. The series itself will include and hopefully conclude some conflicts and events that began years before aGoT started. Such as the deposition of the Targaryen rulers. The coincedence of a long winter and the appearence of the Others hints of some return of the older races of Westeros, like the Children of the Forest and the green men. The wall was built something like 7 or 8 thousand years before aGoT and we are going to find out why . Maybe at the end Westeros won't need their Wall anymore.
Blaise User ID: 8068153	Mar 25th 12:43 PM I get the distinct impression Arya may be going overseas at some point in time to deliver that coin of hers.
Fourthman User ID: 0923684	Mar 25th 1:16 PM Why have Mohammed go to the mountain, when the mountain will most probably come to Westeros?
KAH User ID: 9209903	Mar 25th 2:27 PM Because the Mountain was grinded down by the Stone Mill?
Claidhaim User ID: 9544623	Mar 25th 2:32 PM **LOL**
Blaise User ID: 8068153	Apr 1st 2:00 PM Ser Benjen, it strikes me that maybe in the end the peace-loving people will move north and use the Wall to keep the war-mongers locked away in the Seven Kingdoms!
Ser Benjen User ID: 1195644	Apr 1st 2:08 PM I think alot of peace-loving people would get eaten but he Others in that case.
Blaise User ID: 8068153	Apr 1st 2:37 PM Good point! The trick would be to get the Others lumped in with the war mongers in the south.
Revanshe User ID: 1404584	Apr 4th 5:59 PM While everyone south of the wall is fighting, Dany will come and try to take over. Except the Others will be coming at the same time, so Dany will have to put aside plans of domination, and help save her kingdom instead!
Snake User ID: 0018434	Apr 7th 12:43 PM I think the books are about the Starks and their fate and the fate of their world.
Ser Gary User ID: 8068153	Apr 7th 1:35 PM You raise an interesting point, Snake. Up to this point, we have come to identify more with the Starks, but maybe that will change in the next couple of books. Perhaps the focus will shift instead to the Targaryen(s). I think GRRM has sent us a clear message that we should never count on expecting the expected.
Revanshe User ID: 1404584	Apr 8th 11:40 PM Others have mentioned on other boards that the fate of the Starks (in particular, Robb) = the fate of the north. Perhaps, its more accurate to say 'the fate of the Starks, the fate of the world?" Ser Gary, I dont think the focus will shift completley to the Targaryens, because we still only have one Targaryen POV, and that is Dany! The focus, however, may shift away from the Starks as the books go on. Martin in the chat mentioned that Ned, a Stark, was the dominant character in AGOT, while Tyrion, not a Stark, was the dominant character in ACOK.
Maeglin User ID: 9259363	Oct 15th 3:48 AM But there is still only one Lannister POV and five Stark ones