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Trebla
User ID: 0721754 Feb 23rd 10:17 AM
I'm talkig about the at the end of the series. Who will rule Westeros? Or will Westeros have 2,3, or even 7 kingdoms again? I have my ideas, but I'd like to hear all of your opinions.

Maeglin
User ID: 0707654 Feb 24th 0:22 AM
The good guys will win they always do in the end

Ser Gary
User ID: 1523284 Feb 24th 7:11 AM
The good guys will undoubtedly win. But how do we know who the good guys are in a series featuring so many "gray" characters? And six books in, the good guys at the end may be the bad guys from the beginning. And vice versa.

Trebla
User ID: 0721754 Feb 24th 12:01 PM
Perhaps I should have been clearer. There are really two different factions that could be defined as "good guys". There are the Starks and the Targaryens. Neither has any reason to like each other. More to the point, they have every reason to be great enemies. Will Jon Snow be the bridge to unite these two Houses? Or will be it be the Starks standing at the end. I say that because the title of the last book all but implies that.

Thorfinn
User ID: 9906923 Feb 29th 12:39 PM
I think the Others will rule. Just kidding.

I think there will be a split in the kingdoms. From the wall south will be one and from the wall north will be one.

The starks will move up north of the wall as Jon being the Lord. Winterfell is destroyed. The wall will become nothing a thing of the past. They will have/protect the "children" there as well. Rickon and bran will be there too. Ayra will marry the services of the faceless.

South of the wall will be ruled by Dany and Tyrion (the white lion).

Aloriana
User ID: 1641184 Mar 23rd 9:59 PM
the Starks RULE!!!!

Zer0hour
User ID: 1432154 Mar 24th 8:37 AM
I honestly see seven kingdoms. Why make a kingdom that use to be seven kingdoms and just not use that at the end?

Trebla
User ID: 0721754 Mar 24th 9:12 AM
Or it could be split in two. As Robert noted AGOT. the North is as large as the the other 6 combined. Will the Starks rule the North while the rest is ruled by Dany/Jon/Tyrion or whoever?

Jeff
User ID: 1536664 Mar 24th 9:22 AM
I think it'll be split in two. For Westeros to be truly secure, the North needs to be able to maintain its focus on the Wall without getting involved in Southern politics.

KAH
User ID: 0541004 Mar 24th 10:27 AM
*lame joke alert*

I think Robb will win, and make one realm out of the North, the Eyrie, the Riverlands, and the Iron Islands (the fourth 'kingdom').

Dany will have the other four kingdoms - the Storm Lands, the West, the Reach, and Dorne.

These two will then make up what will be called 'The Hard Eight Kingdoms'. :P

I, Claudius
User ID: 0505634 Mar 24th 2:54 PM
The Martells. They will keep a low profile until everybody is more or less dead, then they will march north to conquer all Westeros in a single and victorious campaign.

Aloriana
User ID: 1641184 Mar 24th 6:21 PM
The last book will be called a time for wolves, right? It sort of implies that the Starks will be the ruling family.

Ran
User ID: 0867924 Mar 24th 7:34 PM
GRRM has stated he's not really happy with the title. So, if he comes up with something better, he'll use that.

I'm also not so certain that 'A Time for Wolves' necessarily even refers to the Starks directly. In part, sure, but it probably indicates that in the final hour everyone has to come together -- you know, a wolf alone dies, a pack survives.

But that's my reading. I think it's too obvious if it just indicates that Starks are ruling, but that could be the beauty of it -- do the obvious and make them all go, 'Nah, he wouldn't be so obvious.' ;)

Aloriana
User ID: 1641184 Mar 25th 7:43 AM
I can't believe that he'll kill off the Starks because they seem to be the most honor bound and overall "good" people in the book. It would be so depressing if the cruel and personally ambitious people gain control at the end of the series. Consider he started us with the Starks, tortured them, gave them freedom. I think that points to them becoming a power to be reconned with. Martin may not like the title because it does point to the conclusion. I just think it's grossly unfair to do bad things to good people and not let them get something in the end.

Trebla
User ID: 0721754 Mar 27th 10:26 AM
Very good point, Aloriana. And that is something I have been thinking about in reagrds to the next book. ASOS looks to be a very grim book. Specualtion has been rampant to anumber of bad things happening. Robb Stark, Hoster and Edmure Tully, and perhaps even Catelyn look to be perhaps knocking on heaven's door. Winterfell has been razed and the North is dooomed. Sansa looks to be sex toy for either Joffrey or Littlefinger. So.....IS GRRM GONNA TOSS US A FRIGGIN' BONE???
I mean I like dark, sad tales, but I do hope something positive happens before the 5 year gap.

Aloriana
User ID: 1641184 Mar 27th 11:01 AM
I dunno I think the Starks have had it pretty bad. I think Robb will survive the series and Sansa will be long gone from KL by the next book. I don't think that if Stark power, what they have, were to break that they'd ever get it back. Especially when everyone learns that Robb is the last male Stark left.

I, Claudius
User ID: 0505634 Mar 27th 2:31 PM
Aloriana, I think that GRRM is portraying a situation were the word "power" has different meanings. Robb will die in ASOS and the Stark's "military power" will be crushed, with this, their "political power" their alliances and the fealty of their bannermen will crumble too.

OTOH the Starks have a different kind of power. Something very faint now, but something that's growing strong too. Call it "magic", call it "gods of the North" or "direwolves", it doesn't matter, at the end this will be the decisive factor.

Now the fight is in a political level in time the magical elements will become more important: Melissandre, the Dragons, the Others... Then the real power of the Starks will be revealed. Bran is the clue, not Robb.

Aloriana
User ID: 1641184 Mar 27th 6:24 PM
*whinning*
But i don't want Robb to die!!!!

Snake
User ID: 0101764 Mar 27th 10:27 PM
He won't. That's just wishful thinking by Imp lovers.

Aloriana
User ID: 1641184 Mar 28th 6:10 AM
I think we should start a Society for the Preservation of Robb. Anyone game?

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Trebla User ID: 0721754	Feb 23rd 10:17 AM I'm talkig about the at the end of the series. Who will rule Westeros? Or will Westeros have 2,3, or even 7 kingdoms again? I have my ideas, but I'd like to hear all of your opinions.
Maeglin User ID: 0707654	Feb 24th 0:22 AM The good guys will win they always do in the end
Ser Gary User ID: 1523284	Feb 24th 7:11 AM The good guys will undoubtedly win. But how do we know who the good guys are in a series featuring so many "gray" characters? And six books in, the good guys at the end may be the bad guys from the beginning. And vice versa.
Trebla User ID: 0721754	Feb 24th 12:01 PM Perhaps I should have been clearer. There are really two different factions that could be defined as "good guys". There are the Starks and the Targaryens. Neither has any reason to like each other. More to the point, they have every reason to be great enemies. Will Jon Snow be the bridge to unite these two Houses? Or will be it be the Starks standing at the end. I say that because the title of the last book all but implies that.
Thorfinn User ID: 9906923	Feb 29th 12:39 PM I think the Others will rule. Just kidding. I think there will be a split in the kingdoms. From the wall south will be one and from the wall north will be one. The starks will move up north of the wall as Jon being the Lord. Winterfell is destroyed. The wall will become nothing a thing of the past. They will have/protect the "children" there as well. Rickon and bran will be there too. Ayra will marry the services of the faceless. South of the wall will be ruled by Dany and Tyrion (the white lion).
Aloriana User ID: 1641184	Mar 23rd 9:59 PM the Starks RULE!!!!
Zer0hour User ID: 1432154	Mar 24th 8:37 AM I honestly see seven kingdoms. Why make a kingdom that use to be seven kingdoms and just not use that at the end?
Trebla User ID: 0721754	Mar 24th 9:12 AM Or it could be split in two. As Robert noted AGOT. the North is as large as the the other 6 combined. Will the Starks rule the North while the rest is ruled by Dany/Jon/Tyrion or whoever?
Jeff User ID: 1536664	Mar 24th 9:22 AM I think it'll be split in two. For Westeros to be truly secure, the North needs to be able to maintain its focus on the Wall without getting involved in Southern politics.
KAH User ID: 0541004	Mar 24th 10:27 AM lame joke alert I think Robb will win, and make one realm out of the North, the Eyrie, the Riverlands, and the Iron Islands (the fourth 'kingdom'). Dany will have the other four kingdoms - the Storm Lands, the West, the Reach, and Dorne. These two will then make up what will be called 'The Hard Eight Kingdoms'. :P
I, Claudius User ID: 0505634	Mar 24th 2:54 PM The Martells. They will keep a low profile until everybody is more or less dead, then they will march north to conquer all Westeros in a single and victorious campaign.
Aloriana User ID: 1641184	Mar 24th 6:21 PM The last book will be called a time for wolves, right? It sort of implies that the Starks will be the ruling family.
Ran User ID: 0867924	Mar 24th 7:34 PM GRRM has stated he's not really happy with the title. So, if he comes up with something better, he'll use that. I'm also not so certain that 'A Time for Wolves' necessarily even refers to the Starks directly. In part, sure, but it probably indicates that in the final hour everyone has to come together -- you know, a wolf alone dies, a pack survives. But that's my reading. I think it's too obvious if it just indicates that Starks are ruling, but that could be the beauty of it -- do the obvious and make them all go, 'Nah, he wouldn't be so obvious.' ;)
Aloriana User ID: 1641184	Mar 25th 7:43 AM I can't believe that he'll kill off the Starks because they seem to be the most honor bound and overall "good" people in the book. It would be so depressing if the cruel and personally ambitious people gain control at the end of the series. Consider he started us with the Starks, tortured them, gave them freedom. I think that points to them becoming a power to be reconned with. Martin may not like the title because it does point to the conclusion. I just think it's grossly unfair to do bad things to good people and not let them get something in the end.
Trebla User ID: 0721754	Mar 27th 10:26 AM Very good point, Aloriana. And that is something I have been thinking about in reagrds to the next book. ASOS looks to be a very grim book. Specualtion has been rampant to anumber of bad things happening. Robb Stark, Hoster and Edmure Tully, and perhaps even Catelyn look to be perhaps knocking on heaven's door. Winterfell has been razed and the North is dooomed. Sansa looks to be sex toy for either Joffrey or Littlefinger. So.....IS GRRM GONNA TOSS US A FRIGGIN' BONE??? I mean I like dark, sad tales, but I do hope something positive happens before the 5 year gap.
Aloriana User ID: 1641184	Mar 27th 11:01 AM I dunno I think the Starks have had it pretty bad. I think Robb will survive the series and Sansa will be long gone from KL by the next book. I don't think that if Stark power, what they have, were to break that they'd ever get it back. Especially when everyone learns that Robb is the last male Stark left.
I, Claudius User ID: 0505634	Mar 27th 2:31 PM Aloriana, I think that GRRM is portraying a situation were the word "power" has different meanings. Robb will die in ASOS and the Stark's "military power" will be crushed, with this, their "political power" their alliances and the fealty of their bannermen will crumble too. OTOH the Starks have a different kind of power. Something very faint now, but something that's growing strong too. Call it "magic", call it "gods of the North" or "direwolves", it doesn't matter, at the end this will be the decisive factor. Now the fight is in a political level in time the magical elements will become more important: Melissandre, the Dragons, the Others... Then the real power of the Starks will be revealed. Bran is the clue, not Robb.
Aloriana User ID: 1641184	Mar 27th 6:24 PM whinning But i don't want Robb to die!!!!
Snake User ID: 0101764	Mar 27th 10:27 PM He won't. That's just wishful thinking by Imp lovers.
Aloriana User ID: 1641184	Mar 28th 6:10 AM I think we should start a Society for the Preservation of Robb. Anyone game?