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Danny
User ID: 8061053 Sep 2nd 9:37 PM
Hello everybody. I have just recently been introduced to the aSoIaF series and I think it is excellent. I'm not a huge fan of Fantasy, though I have read the WoT and some of the Sword of Truth series. Someone recommended AGoT for me and I was very impressed. GRRM really surprised me by throwing Bran out the window, and sufficed to say it was quite a rollercoaster ride after that. I read both, AGoT and ACoK last week and am eagerly awaiting ASoS. And with ASoS still about 2 months away and AGoT and ACoK still fresh in my mind, I'd like to make a few predictions about what will happen to some of the characters and their storylines.

Five year gap- I have heard that there will be a five year gap between ASoS and the 4th book. What this tells me is that there will be relative peace in Westros. I doubt that GRRM will walk away from the 5 years of intrigue that would occur if the gap takes place during wartimes. The gap will probably be used so that some of the principal players can grow up a bit(read: Dragons). And this will neatly differentiate the series into Books 1, 2, 3=Power sturggle for the Crown, and Books 4, 5, 6=Wights and Dragons come knocking at the door.

Jon- Right after AGoT, I was sure that Jon storyline would mirror that of his kinsman(Great Grand Uncle?) Aemon. He would be faced with 3 temptations to break his oaths. The first one he already resisted and the second one he would resist too, but the third one would be a toss-up. Just about 50/50 chance that he would break his oath on that 3rd time. Now that he has joined the wildlings, I'm not so sure. I have strong doubts that he will be able to go the whole ASoS without shacking up with Ygritte. Some have said that sex, strictly speaking, isn't breaking their oaths, and that fathering children is. Maybe so, but Jon would feel he is breaking his oaths(unless he starts rationalizing his actions). And this would break my mirrored, storyline theory. Oh well :)

Dany- Probably won't be doing much in ASoS. It will basically be a repeat of ACoK. She will have some adventures and maybe some of prophecies that she learned in ACoK will come to pass. She probably won't have much to do of import until the Dragons grow up.

Bran- He's basically going to be on the run and learn more about his warg ability. I also doubt that he is going to die. Bran, Jon, and Dany IMHO are the 3 least likely to die in this series. Bran is too special, Jon is the embodiment of Ice and Fire, and if Dany dies before the final battle in the last book, then all those chapters from her POV would be a cheap red herring/plot device.

Robb- Robb will die. As I said before, I think ASoS will end with peace in Westros. So I think Robb will lose to the Lannisters. And the Lannisters will rule the land.

Catelyn- She will die. She will die for the same reason that Robb will die. Because in ASoS the Lannisters will win, and win Big. Joffery(or Tommen) will keep the crown and Cersei will get her beloved Jaime back(but not all of Jaime, see below in Jaime section). Plus Catelyn's death will open up possibilities for Arya(see below in Arya section).

Hoster Tully- He will outlive both Robb and Catelyn. How's that for irony!

Arya- If things were simple Arya would just go from Harrenhall to Riverrun in order to reunite with her mother. But in Arya's case, nothing is ever simple. Yoren wasn't able to escort her back to Winterfell, she couldn't find any of the North men in Harrenhall that she trusted enough to reveal herself, and I was sure that Nymeria would've shown up sometime in ACoK in order to save Arya. So Arya path is always the one of MOST resistance. In that vein, I think that Arya will head to Riverrun and arrive just before the death of Catelyn. This will plunge Arya into a pit of despair. By this time she will think that Catelyn, Bran, Rickard, Ned, and maybe Robb(depending on the timing) are dead. That is 5 out of 7 of her family members. She will have little reason besides Hatred to go on with her life. So I think after her mother's death, she will cross the ocean and become an assassin like what's his face(or in his case what's his faces). The five year gap will be perfect for Arya to train as an assassin and come back after the five years.

Sansa- Her story is by far the hardest one to predict. That is because there are so many factors to consider: Littlefinger, Dontos, the Hound(who seems to be inexorably tied to Sansa), the fact that the Hound is scared of fire, Sansa's view of honor and chivalry(which may bite her in the ass, in an ironic manner). And there is also the matter of how GRRM wants to handle this storyline. Does he was a happy ending(Sansa and Gregor escape safely), sad(Sansa and Gregor try to escape but get cut down during the flight), or ironic(Sansa gets killed by a knight in an honorable way). Taking all of this into consideration, I have a theory. It is off the wall and totally speculative, but here goes:
Sansa will poison Joffery with the stones in her hairnet(I'm assuming that the stones is the same as the poison in the Prologue of ACoK). Sandor will help Sansa escape. They will however be tracked down by the honorable one Loras(or another honorable knight). Loras strikes down Sandor. Loras now tells Sansa that if he brings her back, she will probably be brutally raped and tortured before they finally kill her. So the honorable thing to do is to kill her now so she won't have to suffer. Thereby Sansa dies due to the Honor and Chivalry that she wanted so badly.

Rickard- He'll die. I just don't see much reason to keep him alive. If he lives, he'll only be 9 or 10 after the gap. I just don't see how he is going to fit in.

Tyrion- Now that he is even more ugly and grotesque than he was before, I expect his self-esteem to be at an alltime low. Add to this the fact that his father is back, thereby taking away practically all of Tyrion's power, and we are looking at one bummed out dwarf. I expect his relationship with Shae will suffer greatly, because of his lack of self-worth. I wouldn't be surprised if someone(maybe Varys) played "Iago" to Tyrion's "Othello" with Shae as "Desdamona". I doubt Tyrion would kill Shae however, just drive her away. So I figure in ASoS Tyrion will drive Shae away, unknowing that she is carrying his son.
In a side note, what if Shae is Tyrion's daughter by Tysha. No evidence to support it, but wouldn't that be intersting.

Jaime- I think he will come back to Kings Landing a eunuch. Yup, that's right. That's what I think Catelyn will be cutting. No word on whether or not Jaime's cock will be fed to goat though.

Joffery- I tend to think that Joffery will be killed in ASoS. Either by Sansa or Tywin(who is a lot less forgiving that Tyrion).

Stannis- He will die too. At this point, his only option is to put all his eggs into Melisandre's basket. I figure he will use that shadow spell again, but it will backfire somehow(third times the charm) and he will die.

Theon- He has to die. Just out of sheer stupidity, he should be killed. He is an idiot. And I don't think GRRM has any good things in store for Theon. If GRRM wanted Theon's story to end on a positive note, he would've allowed him to take the Black. Now I can only see Theon used as a hostage and later(when it turns out that nobody wants him) as a sword holder.

Hodor
User ID: 0819174 Sep 3rd 4:55 AM
Danny,it's not Rickard but Rickon,and the Hound is Sandor,not Gregor.

Danny
User ID: 8061053 Sep 3rd 5:06 AM
Opps. My bad. Sorry for any confusion.

ashquadir
User ID: 1467524 Sep 7th 2:07 PM
Dany, you're a sage. I'm quite impressed with your predictions. Are you sure you didn't already read ASOS alread?

Rania
User ID: 2616364 Sep 7th 3:17 PM
Danny,
ASOS is already out in England and you can order it through Amazon.UK

Danny
User ID: 8061053 Sep 7th 3:33 PM
No, I haven't read ASOS. But I don't really think I went out on a limb on most of my predictions. I bet most of the correct predictions are the less far out ones like Robb or Dany(after reading back message on this board, it seems like a lot of people also think Robb is a goner). But I'd be pretty shocked if that Sansa storyline comes to pass(I'd be skeptical too if somebody got that crazy theory right).

Oh and that Hoster prediction was too easy. It would be hilarious if Hoster outlives Catelyn. If that doesn't turn out to be true, then GRRM missed out on an interesting, darkly funny tidbit.

Only 54 more days until I find out what really happens ;)

Rania
User ID: 2616364 Sep 7th 3:43 PM
Danny
Theon's dream and Dany's vision in the House of the Undying are the reason most posters think that Robb is a goner.

Danny
User ID: 8061053 Sep 7th 10:51 PM
Yeah I heard that the UK got it first. But I'm strapped for cash. I borrowed AGOT and ACOK from the library. And I'll probably read ASOS at Borders(I like how they don't mind people reading in the store. They even set out comfy chairs for people ;)

"Theon's dream and Dany's vision in the House of the Undying are the reason most posters think that Robb is a goner. "

Ah ha. Didn't really think about that before, but it makes even more sense now. Sorry Robb, we hardly knew you.

Acrah
User ID: 8848403 Sep 9th 4:52 PM
Didn't Theon die at the end of CoK?.. it said something like "The last thing Theon Greyjoy saw was.."
I do think Robb will die, and I do think that Jaime will be an eunuch.. the other predictions, I am not sure of. If Rickon does grow up he's probably going to be a dark and "evil" character.

KAH
User ID: 0541004 Sep 12th 8:20 AM
Acrah;

We do not know definitely from ACoK that Theon died. 'The last thing Theon saw...' could easily be interpreted as the last thing he saw before he _passed out_.

Ratsteak
User ID: 1105234 Sep 12th 11:10 AM
hey, those were pretty good. i can see theon redeeming himself in some way in the future. don't know how, but i got the impression that GRRM wasn't done with him yet, and that the character was changing. robb, dead. you're most likley right on that one. one of the starks is gonna be gettin hitch with dany when she crosses the ocean, not in book 3 but it'll happen. i had thought it might be robb, but he seems to be done for. maybe jon? or bran even.

Rickon can't die. that would suck. alot. besides, he's got shaggydog. perhaps they make their way to the crannog men? that might have some interesting possiblities.

arya - across the sea she meets up with dany. maybe even becomes one of the queens guard? of course, thats after training as an assasin. Arya, Bran, Jon, and all the wolfs were always the cooloset characters. i was shocked when lady was killed off. well, sansa now has a hound.

Danny User ID: 8061053	Sep 2nd 9:37 PM Hello everybody. I have just recently been introduced to the aSoIaF series and I think it is excellent. I'm not a huge fan of Fantasy, though I have read the WoT and some of the Sword of Truth series. Someone recommended AGoT for me and I was very impressed. GRRM really surprised me by throwing Bran out the window, and sufficed to say it was quite a rollercoaster ride after that. I read both, AGoT and ACoK last week and am eagerly awaiting ASoS. And with ASoS still about 2 months away and AGoT and ACoK still fresh in my mind, I'd like to make a few predictions about what will happen to some of the characters and their storylines. Five year gap- I have heard that there will be a five year gap between ASoS and the 4th book. What this tells me is that there will be relative peace in Westros. I doubt that GRRM will walk away from the 5 years of intrigue that would occur if the gap takes place during wartimes. The gap will probably be used so that some of the principal players can grow up a bit(read: Dragons). And this will neatly differentiate the series into Books 1, 2, 3=Power sturggle for the Crown, and Books 4, 5, 6=Wights and Dragons come knocking at the door. Jon- Right after AGoT, I was sure that Jon storyline would mirror that of his kinsman(Great Grand Uncle?) Aemon. He would be faced with 3 temptations to break his oaths. The first one he already resisted and the second one he would resist too, but the third one would be a toss-up. Just about 50/50 chance that he would break his oath on that 3rd time. Now that he has joined the wildlings, I'm not so sure. I have strong doubts that he will be able to go the whole ASoS without shacking up with Ygritte. Some have said that sex, strictly speaking, isn't breaking their oaths, and that fathering children is. Maybe so, but Jon would feel he is breaking his oaths(unless he starts rationalizing his actions). And this would break my mirrored, storyline theory. Oh well :) Dany- Probably won't be doing much in ASoS. It will basically be a repeat of ACoK. She will have some adventures and maybe some of prophecies that she learned in ACoK will come to pass. She probably won't have much to do of import until the Dragons grow up. Bran- He's basically going to be on the run and learn more about his warg ability. I also doubt that he is going to die. Bran, Jon, and Dany IMHO are the 3 least likely to die in this series. Bran is too special, Jon is the embodiment of Ice and Fire, and if Dany dies before the final battle in the last book, then all those chapters from her POV would be a cheap red herring/plot device. Robb- Robb will die. As I said before, I think ASoS will end with peace in Westros. So I think Robb will lose to the Lannisters. And the Lannisters will rule the land. Catelyn- She will die. She will die for the same reason that Robb will die. Because in ASoS the Lannisters will win, and win Big. Joffery(or Tommen) will keep the crown and Cersei will get her beloved Jaime back(but not all of Jaime, see below in Jaime section). Plus Catelyn's death will open up possibilities for Arya(see below in Arya section). Hoster Tully- He will outlive both Robb and Catelyn. How's that for irony! Arya- If things were simple Arya would just go from Harrenhall to Riverrun in order to reunite with her mother. But in Arya's case, nothing is ever simple. Yoren wasn't able to escort her back to Winterfell, she couldn't find any of the North men in Harrenhall that she trusted enough to reveal herself, and I was sure that Nymeria would've shown up sometime in ACoK in order to save Arya. So Arya path is always the one of MOST resistance. In that vein, I think that Arya will head to Riverrun and arrive just before the death of Catelyn. This will plunge Arya into a pit of despair. By this time she will think that Catelyn, Bran, Rickard, Ned, and maybe Robb(depending on the timing) are dead. That is 5 out of 7 of her family members. She will have little reason besides Hatred to go on with her life. So I think after her mother's death, she will cross the ocean and become an assassin like what's his face(or in his case what's his faces). The five year gap will be perfect for Arya to train as an assassin and come back after the five years. Sansa- Her story is by far the hardest one to predict. That is because there are so many factors to consider: Littlefinger, Dontos, the Hound(who seems to be inexorably tied to Sansa), the fact that the Hound is scared of fire, Sansa's view of honor and chivalry(which may bite her in the ass, in an ironic manner). And there is also the matter of how GRRM wants to handle this storyline. Does he was a happy ending(Sansa and Gregor escape safely), sad(Sansa and Gregor try to escape but get cut down during the flight), or ironic(Sansa gets killed by a knight in an honorable way). Taking all of this into consideration, I have a theory. It is off the wall and totally speculative, but here goes: Sansa will poison Joffery with the stones in her hairnet(I'm assuming that the stones is the same as the poison in the Prologue of ACoK). Sandor will help Sansa escape. They will however be tracked down by the honorable one Loras(or another honorable knight). Loras strikes down Sandor. Loras now tells Sansa that if he brings her back, she will probably be brutally raped and tortured before they finally kill her. So the honorable thing to do is to kill her now so she won't have to suffer. Thereby Sansa dies due to the Honor and Chivalry that she wanted so badly. Rickard- He'll die. I just don't see much reason to keep him alive. If he lives, he'll only be 9 or 10 after the gap. I just don't see how he is going to fit in. Tyrion- Now that he is even more ugly and grotesque than he was before, I expect his self-esteem to be at an alltime low. Add to this the fact that his father is back, thereby taking away practically all of Tyrion's power, and we are looking at one bummed out dwarf. I expect his relationship with Shae will suffer greatly, because of his lack of self-worth. I wouldn't be surprised if someone(maybe Varys) played "Iago" to Tyrion's "Othello" with Shae as "Desdamona". I doubt Tyrion would kill Shae however, just drive her away. So I figure in ASoS Tyrion will drive Shae away, unknowing that she is carrying his son. In a side note, what if Shae is Tyrion's daughter by Tysha. No evidence to support it, but wouldn't that be intersting. Jaime- I think he will come back to Kings Landing a eunuch. Yup, that's right. That's what I think Catelyn will be cutting. No word on whether or not Jaime's cock will be fed to goat though. Joffery- I tend to think that Joffery will be killed in ASoS. Either by Sansa or Tywin(who is a lot less forgiving that Tyrion). Stannis- He will die too. At this point, his only option is to put all his eggs into Melisandre's basket. I figure he will use that shadow spell again, but it will backfire somehow(third times the charm) and he will die. Theon- He has to die. Just out of sheer stupidity, he should be killed. He is an idiot. And I don't think GRRM has any good things in store for Theon. If GRRM wanted Theon's story to end on a positive note, he would've allowed him to take the Black. Now I can only see Theon used as a hostage and later(when it turns out that nobody wants him) as a sword holder.
Hodor User ID: 0819174	Sep 3rd 4:55 AM Danny,it's not Rickard but Rickon,and the Hound is Sandor,not Gregor.
Danny User ID: 8061053	Sep 3rd 5:06 AM Opps. My bad. Sorry for any confusion.
ashquadir User ID: 1467524	Sep 7th 2:07 PM Dany, you're a sage. I'm quite impressed with your predictions. Are you sure you didn't already read ASOS alread?
Rania User ID: 2616364	Sep 7th 3:17 PM Danny, ASOS is already out in England and you can order it through Amazon.UK
Danny User ID: 8061053	Sep 7th 3:33 PM No, I haven't read ASOS. But I don't really think I went out on a limb on most of my predictions. I bet most of the correct predictions are the less far out ones like Robb or Dany(after reading back message on this board, it seems like a lot of people also think Robb is a goner). But I'd be pretty shocked if that Sansa storyline comes to pass(I'd be skeptical too if somebody got that crazy theory right). Oh and that Hoster prediction was too easy. It would be hilarious if Hoster outlives Catelyn. If that doesn't turn out to be true, then GRRM missed out on an interesting, darkly funny tidbit. Only 54 more days until I find out what really happens ;)
Rania User ID: 2616364	Sep 7th 3:43 PM Danny Theon's dream and Dany's vision in the House of the Undying are the reason most posters think that Robb is a goner.
Danny User ID: 8061053	Sep 7th 10:51 PM Yeah I heard that the UK got it first. But I'm strapped for cash. I borrowed AGOT and ACOK from the library. And I'll probably read ASOS at Borders(I like how they don't mind people reading in the store. They even set out comfy chairs for people ;) "Theon's dream and Dany's vision in the House of the Undying are the reason most posters think that Robb is a goner. " Ah ha. Didn't really think about that before, but it makes even more sense now. Sorry Robb, we hardly knew you.
Acrah User ID: 8848403	Sep 9th 4:52 PM Didn't Theon die at the end of CoK?.. it said something like "The last thing Theon Greyjoy saw was.." I do think Robb will die, and I do think that Jaime will be an eunuch.. the other predictions, I am not sure of. If Rickon does grow up he's probably going to be a dark and "evil" character.
KAH User ID: 0541004	Sep 12th 8:20 AM Acrah; We do not know definitely from ACoK that Theon died. 'The last thing Theon saw...' could easily be interpreted as the last thing he saw before he _passed out_.
Ratsteak User ID: 1105234	Sep 12th 11:10 AM hey, those were pretty good. i can see theon redeeming himself in some way in the future. don't know how, but i got the impression that GRRM wasn't done with him yet, and that the character was changing. robb, dead. you're most likley right on that one. one of the starks is gonna be gettin hitch with dany when she crosses the ocean, not in book 3 but it'll happen. i had thought it might be robb, but he seems to be done for. maybe jon? or bran even. Rickon can't die. that would suck. alot. besides, he's got shaggydog. perhaps they make their way to the crannog men? that might have some interesting possiblities. arya - across the sea she meets up with dany. maybe even becomes one of the queens guard? of course, thats after training as an assasin. Arya, Bran, Jon, and all the wolfs were always the cooloset characters. i was shocked when lady was killed off. well, sansa now has a hound.