------------------------------ wwpotter-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 51 Today's Topics: Tires on the Garges Trailer Re: New Potter'er Re: Trailer tires on Garges trailer Re: I Took the Plunge Boat name painting Re: Tires on the Garges Trailer Re: Boat name painting Re: Tires on the Garges Trailer Re: Boat name painting Cedar Key Re: I Took the Plunge Re: Cedar Key Lee Helm? Re: Trailer tires on Garges trailer/IM Re: Lee Helm? want to buy wwp 19 Comparing the Potter 15 to the Peep Hen 14 Trailer Tyre/Parts Re: I Took the Plunge Re: want to buy wwp 19 Re: Lee Helm? Re: Tires on the Garges Trailer Re: I Took the Plunge P15 Battery ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 98 23:23:32 -0600 From: To: Subject: Tires on the Garges Trailer Message-Id: <199803010523.XAA07679@mcfeely.interaccess.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I have been watching the posts about the tires on the Garges trailer an laughing to myself. My wife and I bought a new Potter 19' last June. The company sent a driver from the L.A. factory to Chicago dragging the boat on the trailer with all of the stuff we'd bought in it. If that's not long distance trailering I don't know what is. What you are missing is that there are two tires on the Garges trailer and each tire carries 1/2 of the total load minus the tongue weight (which optimally should be close to zero, but really is closer to 200 lbs). I don't know what the load rating of the class C tire is, but even if you were using 2 class B spares, you should be able to carry a load of 1728 lbs. (2 x 864lbs). If the boat is 1225 lbs you still have about 500 lbs of extra capacity on the lower quality class B tire. If you're using the class C, you've got even more load carrying capacity. Additionally, tires generally perform better when they are filled to the rated pressure. If the tires are rated at 80 PSI, then that's what you should fill them to. I hate to see you folks questioning the integrity of the people at IM just because you didn't get a short course in physics when you asked about the suitability of the tires. I am the guy who asked if the WW Potter was a piece of crap. I'm still waiting for that post to die. I have been thoroughly satisfied with my dealings with IM and am looking forward to taking my Potter out of storage ASAP. I am sure that this year Darrow and Larry and anyone else they have hired will be as honest and helpful as they were last year. Thanks for your time. Perry Tomasetti - perryt@interaccess.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:38:26 EST From: Airfielduk To: W4NTW@ix.netcom.com Cc: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: New Potter'er Message-ID: <4af3f670.34f92c94@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Congratulations Howie. Perhaps you haven't found out yet but there are Potter owners all over the place. Look out for bits & pieces from this side of the Herring Pond. Bruce Longstaff Uxbridge GB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:20:38 -0700 From: kenludwick@juno.com (Kenneth R Ludwick) To: gempsm@clemson.campus.mci.net Cc: MorrisG@federal.unisys.com, wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: Trailer tires on Garges trailer Message-ID: <19980301.092042.10238.0.kenludwick@juno.com> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Good for you for speaking out, you said it well, too. I think you're right about some of us having cabin fever. We had a bright, sunny day in Albuquerque yesterday, but it came with icy 20 - 30 mph winds! I, for one, am surely am ready for spring! Ken in Albuquerque P-15 Pequena On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:02:01 -0500 "Jerry & Pat Menzies" writes: >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > West Wight Potter Website at URL > http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >I have seen quite a few notes regarding the quality, or lack thereof, >of >trailer and tires and opinions thereof. Figured I would play the >"devils >advocate" here in response. For what it's worth, I think some of the >comments are pretty harsh regarding IM and particularly the comments >regarding Scott's response about the spare tire. > >As most of you are aware manufacturers try to save costs to keep >prices >competitive. Anybody bought a new car in the last five years which >DID NOT >come with that cheap, take your life in your own hands spare tire?. >If you >called the manufacturer about the safety of the tire you know what he >would >have told you? Proceed carefully to the nearest tire repair and DO >NOT >exceed 45mph. Would you believe the representative to be sneaky? > >The point is if you want better quality, you must pay extra. I >replaced my >spare with a new rim and full size tire because I wanted the safety >margin >and did not want to tool along the interstate at 45. Really no >difference >here I believe. Some make it sound as though Scott and IM are >unconcerned >regarding safety. > >Have also read many comments regarding IM customer support. I placed >my >order for a new WWP19, have called Scott probably 20 times by now and >he >has been professional, courteous and patient. I did not have the >privilege >of working with Scotts predecessor, however he must have been a great >to >work with based on previous web comments. Scott may or may not be the >IM >representative he was, but maybe if we, as a group work with him and >professionally express our concerns he may do a very good job and >improve >like we all hope to do in our business or profession. If there is a >real, >legitimate concern I feel confident IM will correct it or they may be >looking for other work. > >Let's be a little more reasonable. Must be the weather making some of >us a >little grumpy. It was in the mid 70's here today so won't be long >till >spring time. > >---------- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:24:14 -0500 From: "Rick Snide" To: "Gordon" Cc: "Potter List" Subject: Re: I Took the Plunge Message-ID: <01bd452e$793d13e0$ccf467ce@rick-snide> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Congratulations Harry. Time to explore all those coves up and down the coast that were more than a weekend trip before. Maybe down to Acapulco! -----Original Message----- From: Gordon To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 8:03 PM Subject: I Took the Plunge >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > West Wight Potter Website at URL > http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >As a pilot, I never could understand skydivers. Why would anyone jump out >of a perfectly good airplane? But now I've done it. (No, I didn't make a >parachute jump; that was just a metaphore.) What I did was voluntarily >leave a perfectly good job - one that has kept my family and I fed and >housed for over 27 years. As of Monday I am officially RETIRED. It's >almost as scary as jumping out of an airplane. > >Looking forward to sailing the uncrowded weekday waters and exploring more >distant sailing sites. > >Harry Gordon >P-14 #234, Manatee >Mountain View, CA > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:41:45 -0500 From: "Rick Snide" To: "Potter List" Subject: Boat name painting Message-ID: <01bd4530$ec02dfc0$ccf467ce@rick-snide> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I bought a P19 last July, and although I have named her, I haven't painted her name on. For those of you who don't know already, I have four daughters, ages 2 to 12 and they,( and their mother) are the inspiration for the boat name "Girl Crazy". I'm looking for advice on what type of paint, location on the boat etc. that you would recommend. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 13:16:07 -0600 From: Bill Combs To: , "WestWightWeb" Subject: Re: Tires on the Garges Trailer Message-Id: <199803011912.NAA14926@hurricane.gnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >I have been watching the posts about the tires on the Garges trailer an >laughing to myself. My wife and I bought a new Potter 19' last June. The >company sent a driver from the L.A. factory to Chicago dragging the boat >on the trailer with all of the stuff we'd bought in it. If that's not >long distance trailering I don't know what is. And mine was towed from the factory to Florida, using up just about half of the life of the Load Range C tires. Quibble tho we do, Load Range B is *not*sufficient for normal use. They should be adequate as spares. Also, the physics you speak of dictate that the closer to rated load a tire is run -- especially if near or greater than 100% -- the faster the tire will wear. In this sense the "acceptable" load is a function of inflation pressure. Non-passenger car tires should **always** be inflated to match the load they're carrying. Too much pressure and you get a terrible ride and uneven tread wear. Too little and you get excess sidewall flex leading to excess heat and early failure. There are inflation vs load tables widely available to determine the proper inflation -- provided you know the load. BTW, in your discussion you neglected the weight of the trailer; it too rides on the wheels. Also, I remind you that I've measured my P19's weight at 2300+ pounds with a moderate load of gear. She's been much heavier at times I did not have access to a scale, but the 2300 pounds alone is too much for load range C. Period. End of story. The dry weight of the boat and trailer is *not* too much, but it's damn close. How many of us, however, trailer with *nothing* in the boat? Finally, I too think IM is doing a fine job of customer relations, but they -- as with most folks who don't have an RV or trailering history, *including* many people running tire stores -- just flat don't understand the inflation issue. The best advice is that routinely given in RV and trailer references: weigh your rig! I've been through one catastrophic tire failure, so trust me, you don't want to do the same. Weigh the rig, consult the tire tables, and buy and inflate your tires accordingly. This the only right way to do it. Words and misconceptions count for naught. Regards, Bill Combs ttursine@gnt.net WWP 19 #439,"Ursa Minor" Fort Walton Beach FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 13:20:14 -0600 From: Bill Combs To: "Rick Snide" , "Potter List" Subject: Re: Boat name painting Message-Id: <199803011916.NAA15355@hurricane.gnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >I bought a P19 last July, and although I have named her, I haven't painted >her name on. For those of you who don't know already, I have four >daughters, ages 2 to 12 and they,( and their mother) are the inspiration for >the boat name "Girl Crazy". I ran across a similarly crewed vessels in the Abacos. It's name was "Wenches." The name drew a lot of friendly attention. > >I'm looking for advice on what type of paint, location on the boat etc. that >you would recommend. Best bet is to use the vinyl, custom made lettering available from BOAT/US, West/E&B. or local sign shops. It's not too hard to apply, reasonably priced, good looking, and **extremely** durable. On a P19, the best place seems to be on each stern quarter, centered on the tape trim stripe. Regards, Bill Combs ttursine@gnt.net WWP 19 #439,"Ursa Minor" Fort Walton Beach FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:47:03 -0500 From: Bob To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: Tires on the Garges Trailer Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980301144703.00808100@roanoke.infi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >The best advice is that routinely given in RV and trailer references: >weigh your rig! I've been through one catastrophic tire failure, so trust >me, you don't want to do the same. Weigh the rig, consult the tire >tables, and buy and inflate your tires accordingly. This the only right >way to do it. Words and misconceptions count for naught. > >Regards, >Bill Combs >ttursine@gnt.net >WWP 19 #439,"Ursa Minor" >Fort Walton Beach FL > Bill, Where are the "tire tables"? Tire people here don't know. Thanks. Bob Patten Daleville, VA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:53:46 EST From: ORNurse362 To: Rick@RevolutionSoftware.com Cc: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: Boat name painting Message-ID: <5d52051f.34f9bccd@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>I'm looking for advice on what type of paint, location on the boat etc. that you would recommend.<< Rick: Bingo on what Bill Ursine said. Why paint? I for one don't have that steady a hand, and little or no artistic talent. Rather than going to Boat/US, West Marine, or any other marine graphics company, consider a local sign company. They can cut- generally by computer and plotter- vinyl lettering in almost any script style. It is usually cheaper- cost me $1.00 a letter- and definitely quicker- 15 minutes waiting time. As always, FWIW, IMHO, etc. Dan Dolan Layton UT ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:43:27 -0700 From: Gordon To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Cedar Key Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Ideally we'd head for the 10,000 Islands,but we won't have time.Best >I can figure,we should limit ourselves to the area from Ceder Key >south to Tarpon Springs. I know Ceder key well from my boyhood and I >was the chief boat/truck driver on an archaeological suvey of the >river mouths south of C.K. in the 60's and I remeber a lot of great >midden islands in isolated areas that would be great p15 >stopovers.However it has been a long time since I've seen these >places and I'm hoping someone can give me some advice. ... >Regards,Morgan Maclachlan,P15 #2187 LOON Your mention of Cedar Key brought back some memories. In 1967 I was working on the Apollo program and living in Merritt Island, FL. I had a 10 ft wooden pram that I sailed from my backyard. The builder of the boat was Bill Cody, who claimed to be a descendant of Buffalo Bill, and we had become friends. His son, Bill Jr., and a friend of his were sailing a board boat (called a Mini Sail, or something like that) from the Tampa area to New Orleans, going ashore each night, of course. I had an old Ercoupe at the time, so Bill Sr. and I decided to fly over to the Gulf coast and see if we could spot Bill Jr. from the air. We landed at Cedar Key, got a ride to the mainland, and learned that the sailors had stayed at the local motel the night before. So we took off and soon spotted their boat. I had a pair of toy-type walkie talkies, one of which Bill Jr. had taken with him, so I was able to talk to Bill Jr. from the plane, although the interference from the ignition prevented me from hearing anything. Mission accomplished, we headed back across Florida, intending to land at a little field near Orlando, where I had picked up Bill Sr. on the way out. I had just had an annual inspection on the Ercoupe and the engine was running well, but unbeknownst to me, the mechanic, in tightening things up, had put a little too much torque on the fitting where the fuel line enters the carburetor. (Overlooked was an old nonmandatory service bulletin that recommended replacing the original aluminum fitting with a brass one.) Sometime during the flight home, the aluminum fitting, already cracked, broke completely and separated from the carburetor. My only indication of this was an unbelievably high fuel consumption and an occasional whiff of gasoline. The Ercoupe had three fuel tanks: two wing tanks that together held 18 gallons and a fuselage tank in front of the cockpit that held 6 gallons. The fuselage tank fed the carburetor by gravity, and a mechanical fuel pump replenished the fuselage tank from the wing tanks. Very soon the gages on both wing tanks were indicating empty, and the fuselage tank bent-wire-on-a-cork gage in front of me was going down fast. To complicate matters, there was a thunderstorm sitting on the Orlando airport, so we diverted to Titusville, paralleling a freeway in case we had to land prematurely. It was pouring rain on our landing approach at Titusville, and the engine cut out momentarily when turbulence rolled the Ercoupe sharply, but the engine kept running as we landed and taxied in to a parking area. All fuel gages were indicating zero. I shut off the engine, and we waited until the cloudburst subsided, then got out and opened the cowling. There was a gap between the fuel line and carburetor of maybe as much as 1/2 inch, but somehow enough fuel had crossed the gap to keep the carburetor supplied and the engine running. The rest of the gasoline had blown away into the slipstream. I forgot to mention that Bill Sr had a steel plate in his head, a souvenir of his last previous flight, when he was crew chief on an Air Force C-47 that made a crash landing. I don't know if he has flown since. Bill Jr. made it to New Orleans. Harry Gordon P-14 #234, Manatee Mountain View, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:12:49 -0800 From: "Steven W. Barnes" To: Gordon CC: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: I Took the Plunge Message-ID: <34F9DD61.51C9@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gordon wrote: > As of Monday I am officially RETIRED. It's > almost as scary as jumping out of an airplane. > > Looking forward to sailing the uncrowded weekday waters and exploring more > distant sailing sites. Congratulations! It may be forced on me, but not yet. If it were me, I would speed up a couple of hobby projects, building a Chinese lug rig for Popeye, and maybe eventually builing a weeden boat. If you get down to San Diego, we'll take Popeye out. Later. Steve Barnes sailing the lean mean lateen machine P-14 #561 "Popeye" in San Diego! -- OLDSURFDUDE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 14:34:57 -0800 From: "Steven W. Barnes" To: Gordon CC: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: Cedar Key Message-ID: <34F9E291.7060@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gordon wrote: > There was a gap between the fuel line and > carburetor of maybe as much as 1/2 inch, but somehow enough fuel had > crossed the gap to keep the carburetor supplied and the engine running. The > rest of the gasoline had blown away into the slipstream. I'm wondering if we have been talking to a ghost all this time! Steve Barnes sailing the lean mean lateen machine P-14 #561 "Popeye" in San Diego! -- OLDSURFDUDE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:02:52 -0500 From: john.stacey@acad.umass.edu To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Lee Helm? Message-id: <01IU5V99QYKG9GYWMO@oitvms.oit.umass.edu> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hello Potter list members, I bought a 19' last fall and spent my first summer sailing on a lake in southern Vermont. This is my first boat and I'm learning alot. Everyone who sees or sails our Potter falls in love! I love that I can take my family of four out on her or spend the day solo on my own little "escape from it all"! My question is this. I have found, especially in light wind, that she swings far to Leeward after tacking and it's a very, very difficult matter to get her to starboard. Some of my fellow club members have suggested tightening down the side stays to rack the mast back. I've done so to the extent of their slack and this hasn't made a difference. What I'm told is that she seems to have a Lee Helm and that I should have the stays adjusted to allow me more adjustment. I found that as the summer went on I had this problem lees probably due to my increasing experience with the boat! I'm hoping that you more experienced Potter owners can give me some guidence. Is this typical of the 19' performance and simply a matter of my needing to gain more experience or should I start monkeying with the stays? I'm also new to this list so any advise is much appreciated. Thanks, John.Stacey@acad.umass.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:43:38 -0500 From: "James Leith" To: "Jerry & Pat Menzies" , Subject: Re: Trailer tires on Garges trailer/IM Message-ID: <19980302004417.AAA14124@default> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jerry & Pat, I unconditionally second your favorable comments regarding IM and Scott Johnson. We had problems with both the mast and motor on our new P19. After talking to Scott, both were replace on IM's next delivery to the sunny (at times) state of Florida. The people at IM stand behind their product and I've found Scott to be most helpful and knowledgeable on my "help me/how does this work?" calls to IM. Jim Leith P19 #992 G'day ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:44:40 EST From: JackRams To: john.stacey@acad.umass.edu Cc: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: Lee Helm? Message-ID: <5d52a42e.34fa00fb@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hi John I would say if ,in tacking into the wind and the boat swings too far to leeward and is difficult to come backto windward, then ease the jib and it will come back easier. Jack Ramsey P15 1753 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:28:17 -0800 From: Thomas Mayer To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: want to buy wwp 19 Message-ID: <34F9FD1F.A39F90AC@whidbey.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - If anyone knows of a wwp 19 for sale, we are seriously in the market at this time. Prefer west coast boat in good shape. Thanks. T & V Mayer graphcom@whidbey.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:24:34 EST From: IEhren To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Comparing the Potter 15 to the Peep Hen 14 Message-ID: <86ed639c.34fa0a55@aol.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I am interesed in hearing from anyone who may have compared the Peep Hen 14 and the Potter 15. What are your opinions of these two (2) boats. I will be trailing it and launching it from boat ramps. Also I would also appreciate information on boat ramps in south east Florida. Plus I would also seeing any of these boats in the south eastern Florida. Thank You IEhren@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 20:53:16 -0500 From: hapence@pop.erols.com To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Trailer Tyre/Parts Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980302015316.006d7084@pop.erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 80301 Potterers: Some one asked for Tyre info Try 'Champion Trailer Parts Supply' htpp://championtrailer.com or go to Trailer Sailor at http://ro.com/~bachelor Grover ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:46:26 -0700 From: Gordon To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: I Took the Plunge Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Harry, > > Good on ya. Nothing scary involved. I took early retirement two+ >years ago at the age of 52+ and my only regret is not doing it sooner. Today >we went sailing on the Manatee (thought you'd like that) River amongst the >powerboats and jet skis buzzing around. Tomorrow (Monday) all those fools >will all be working to pay for next weekend's gas while we and the Manatees >enjoying the river at a leisurely three or four knots... Much to be said for >this >retirement shit, especially when you do it young enuf' to really enjoy it... > >Cheers, >Jim, P19 #992 G'day (docked 200 yards from the Manatee River/8 miles from >lower Tampa Bay in Bradenton, FL) Sounds great, Jim, but all those powerboats and jet skis must take quite a toll on the manatee population. It would be nice to sail with the manatees again. I once had a Merritt Island house on Sykes Creek, which had manatees. My first encounter was pretty startling for this Californian. Apparently I bumped a manatee with the daggerboard of my pram when I came about near a little island where one was grazing underwater. The otherwise smooth water was suddenly rolling violently under the pram as the seacow took evasive action. I thought, 'What the hell was that!' I had several such encounters before I saw one break water. I had to transfer back to California when the Apollo program was winding down. So that's why there is now a Potter in California named 'Manatee.' Now you know ... the rest of the story. Harry Gordon P-14 #234, Manatee Mountain View, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:28:15 -0700 From: Gordon To: wwpotter@tscnet.com Subject: Re: want to buy wwp 19 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > West Wight Potter Website at URL > http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >If anyone knows of a wwp 19 for sale, we are seriously in the market at >this time. Prefer west coast boat in good shape. Thanks. > >T & V Mayer >graphcom@whidbey.com To start, check the For Sale listings on the Potter Yachter web page. I've been listing all the ones I hear about. If you learn any of the listed boats are no longer available please let me know so I can delete them from the web page. Harry Gordon Potter Yachter Web Editor P-14 #234, Manatee Mountain View, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:40:26 -0800 From: Larry Costa To: West Wight Web Subject: Re: Lee Helm? Message-ID: <34FA2A2A.7AA2@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - john.stacey@acad.umass.edu wrote: > My question is this. I have found, especially in light wind, > that she swings far to Leeward after tacking and it's a very, very > difficult matter to get her to starboard. Some of my fellow club > members have suggested tightening down the side stays to rack the mast > back. I've done so to the extent of their slack and this hasn't made a > difference. > What I'm told is that she seems to have a Lee Helm and that I > should have the stays adjusted to allow me more adjustment. I found that as > the summer went on I had this problem lees probably due to my increasing > experience with the boat! > All I would bet that what you are experiencing is not "lee helm" but just "big cabin". When you tack a P-19 in light winds you have to make sure that you don't let her slow down too much or she will fall off because of all of that "other" windage. I have found that if HC starts to fall off I can bring her back on course by slacking the main sheet, not the jib. To prove that yours doesn't have a lee helm, let her go down wind as she wants to (in light conditions) and you will see that after she builds up a bit of speed she will turn her nose right into the wind. Larry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 22:39:46 -0600 From: Bill Combs To: "Bob" , "WestWightWeb" Subject: Re: Tires on the Garges Trailer Message-Id: <199803020440.WAA16188@hurricane.gnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Bill, >Where are the "tire tables"? Tire people here don't know. Thanks. >Bob Patten >Daleville, VA Tell me your tire size & I'll give you the figures. If you want your own set of tables, try one of the RV &/or Trailer Repair handbooks, several of which are available at most any bookstore -- including www.amazon.com. This offer applies to anyone out there; send me a tire size & I'll give you the figures. Regards, Bill Combs ttursine@gnt.net WWP 19 #439,"Ursa Minor" Fort Walton Beach FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 98 22:43:35 -0600 From: Bill Combs To: wwpotter@tscnet.com cc: "WestWightWeb" Subject: Re: I Took the Plunge Message-Id: <199803020443.WAA16705@hurricane.gnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >Congratulations! It may be forced on me, but ... Forced?! I struggle, manfully but with intense longing, toward that goal. Thought I had it before that Bahamas trip, but now I wonder if another gig may not be required. Anyone need the services of a high tech computer weenie? Sigh. Regards, Bill Combs ttursine@gnt.net WWP 19 #439,"Ursa Minor" Fort Walton Beach FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 08:33:36 -0500 From: "Haley, John" To: West Wight Web Subject: P15 Battery Message-ID: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - West Wight Potter Website at URL http://www.lesbois.com/wwpotter/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Greetings, Starting to contemplate installing lights on my P15. Where is the best place to place the battery? Thanks! John Haley P15 #391 Morgan Rochester NY --------------------------------