Philosophy from the Spirit World - A Question and Answer Session |
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Magnus started by emphasising the importance of conversation. "I think by conversation my friend, one becomes accustomed and better acquainted with people. It is only by the words that are given to you by others whether you can judge their wisdom or their folly."
Question: How do you see us Magnus?
"I think that we have answered this on many occasions but I should
be more than happy to give you the opinion of the Diamond my dear
(note: "Diamond" is the name of the group in spirit that he
represents). You appear to us to be somewhat like ghosts. I shall
explain to you what I mean by this. There are many of your side of
life that do not consider us to be a reality. Would you be
surprised if I said to you that there are many of our side of life
who do not conceive of earthly existence to be a reality? Therefore
for those of us who move into the vibration of the earth plane, you
are somewhat unreal to us".
Question: Magnus does it take a long time to come and see us? How do you come?
"It is a matter of harmonisation, of adjusting ourselves to the
best of our capability, and of course, relying upon you good people
and of course to some degree, our link. The energies will be
suitably altered from your side of life that we may harmonise with
you. Of course under circumstances where we are required to
instigate production of the ectoplasmic substance and the body of
the link, we can not always be entirely sure that the energies that
are created of your side of life and of our side of life will be
suitable for the production of the ectoplasmic substance in which
we may be able to make our presence known.
Therefore if you could engage upon one of these seances and the
results are not entirely satisfactory, do not despair my friends.
It is not always within your capability or entirely within our
capability that we can create a satisfactory vibration, a
satisfactory energy. But none the less my friends, as you gather
together and you call upon spirit, you call upon the energy of life.
If manifestation that you so patiently sit for does not transpire
know that the power of love, the power of God, the power of spirit,
none the less moves among you.
I shall give you a demonstration my friends" (The trumpet lifted up
into the air). "You are my friends impressed but in itself what
does this prove?" (George Cranley, an NAS officer present at this
seance replied that "....it proves there is an intelligence behind
it".) Magnus continued: "In itself this proves very little, it
proves something that should be logical. That energy will move
energy. All things are energy. Your men of science, if
only they were honest with you and themselves would tell you that
this is a fact of physics" (The trumpet lowered and then moved off
towards the cabinet housing the medium).
Question: I understand you cannot hear yourself speak although you can hear us?
"Yes that is indeed so" Magnus replied.
Question: Has anybody presumed to play a tape of yourself back to you?
"I have indeed heard audio recordings of my voice. I never sounded anything like that you know - not when I was upon the earth plane!" At this point Magnus pointed out that not many of the people whom he has helped to communicate could recognise or were aware of what their own voice was like anyway.
Question: Would you please give some message to the young people of this world in what they ought to do because a lot them have lost hope.
"If your youth have despair of your world, then I would have to say
look what you are giving them. My friends, love of the sort that
comes from our side of life is without question, to the best of our
abilities, and within the energies of God, we will continue to give
our love to the earth plane. But remember my friends, your plane
of existence is a plane of spirit as much as any you shall come to
or progress to. You look towards our state of existence as the
eternal paradise. You live in a state of paradise, you live within
an environment that has been created by God. That is paradise. If
it is not paradise, if your young despair, if your middle aged
despair, if your elderly despair, remember each must take
responsibility for the plane of existence they occupy. Take
responsibility for your plane of spirit, your earth world. Know
that for the time that you reside within your plane of existence it
is your responsibility.
Look towards your sick, your poor, those that live in degradation and
poverty and fear and know - I am part of the responsibility of this.
Do not believe that any of you are so small that you cannot make a
difference. By the power of love you can move mountains. There is
nothing that the human spirit cannot accomplish. It is a matter of
belief, of faith, of knowing that as God is in your plane of
existence so God is with you. You can live in the light of God.
You can live with God. You can be as God would dictate. Live
within the light and the harmony or you can turn away from God
where there is nothing but darkness and in darkness there is fear and
despair.
Amongst those of you that profess the Spiritualists' way, you speak
of personal responsibility as a principle. Personal responsibility
does not mean that as an individual you must take responsibility for
everything that you do as if you are the be all and the end all of
the universe. Personal responsibility means that you must take your
place and accept your responsibility within life. To know that you
have a responsibility to conduct yourself in service to life, to
those that live within your environment whether they be of human
kind or of animal kind, the vibrations of your earth plane that you
do not necessarily see.
Do not my friend I most respectfully say turn not to us and say give
us a message of hope. Take responsibility for the plane of existence
you live within and give your own message of hope. Look at your
world.
Look at the areas of darkness and despair - of fear and hatred and
say loudly and clearly and in the light of God - let this be no
more. Play your part in ensuring that it be no more. In your days
my friends, if you heal one person by word or by deed or by action
they in turn can be inspired to heal the next and the next and the
next and harmony shall become infectious and all shall become
infected. Would that not be a wonderful disease for everybody to
have?".
Question: How are you aware of God in your world?
"You may know my friend we have spoken on many occasions and I now hopefully consider you to be my friend and I hope that you consider that I am your friend. As you know that it is our custom when we depart from your company to bless you by saying that within your understanding may God bless and keep you. We are all individuals and come to realise, come to know my friends, that God is in all things. Therefore if you say to me how do I perceive of God, I perceive God in everything."
Question: Is there a power or a force (of God) that you feel in your world?
"The nearness, the closeness, the all consuming all detecting
energy of God is possibly easier for us to perceive of our side of
life, that is in accordance with the vibration that we exist within
my friend but then my friends you can conceive of God in your
vibration. I shall give you a task my friends, something you may
all undertake. Do you wish to participate in this experiment? (A
chorus of "yes" replied). On this day when you leave this place,
leave this building and go to the nearest plot of land where grass
grows. Look down at a single blade of grass and know that there is
nothing within your capability that could create something so
perfect. Once you have done this hold before you your hand and
know that with all our medical knowledge, all our know how, there
is not one of us that could create a body so intricate and perfect.
Then you shall know, then you will see God in all things.
There is one who resides upon the earth plane who will tell you, if
you choose, if you care - and I do very much suggest that you do
listen, he will tell you that God is in all things. He will even
go so far as to say if you believe, you will know that God is in
you, as God is in everything. If you wish my friends, if you
accept that God is in all things, if you go against that which you
know is love and light, if you go against these things are you not
being as a disease in the body of God? If you live in harmony,
life shall flow, if you live in disharmony you shall be as a
disease and as in the body diseases must be eradicated.
Therefore my friend in returning to your kind enquiry using your
own words I do not suggest that you use my own, go amongst your
people, go amongst the people of your earth plane and tell them to
turn to God, turn to light. There they will find hope, there they
will find love. There they will find harmony. There is nothing
synthetic, nothing man-made of your earth plane that will bring
happiness, that will bring contentment. In God all these things
are so and when you turn to God, turn to God not the words of your
fellow men but try to explain God. It is our intention to inspire
in you on every occasion that we come to find God for yourself.
Know God for yourself, let your church be your life, not a
building, not a structure, not a priest in elaborate and rich
robes. For know that priest that stands there, although in his
heart he may believe that he is a good man and there are many good
men of the cloth, but know that all their finery and riches of
their church have been obtained upon the despair of many. Make
your life, make your existence your church and find God within all
that you encounter, but mostly in yourself. I shall say no more on
this matter."
Question: There is nothing, nothing that is man made. Everything has come from God in the first place?
"Oh very good my dear, very good observation. Of course you speak
the truth. You can upon the earth make nothing that has not been
provided by God. Better if be that you use it for honourable
intention. I do say to you have your science, have your
technology.
But science and technology that is without God is worthless."
The next question concerned our responsibility implied by the last
answer. However Magnus interrupted the questioner with: "If you
consider it to be a responsibility then you have missed the whole
purpose. It is not a responsibility. It is a duty and all should
be in duty, in service to one another. If you consider it to be a
responsibility then other words come into play such as burden,
task. Accept this to be your existence. You can be more than the
sum of your service to your fellow life. For unless you are in
service to life, I most respectfully say, you are nothing. You are
merely the sum of your own self importance and I do not mean that
disrespectfully sir. For I know that this is not your attitude or
concept. But words are very powerful things my friends. Just as I
tell you to guard your thoughts well, I tell you to guard your
words well." Steven Turoff (a psychic surgeon who also follows Sai
Baba's teachings) quoted the following relevant words: Duty without
love is deplorable; Duty with love is desirable; Love without duty
is divine.
Magnus continued: "I think these words are most admirable. I was
to say guard your words well and your words have meaning. For as I
have said to many of you in this very room, words are often not
enough. Words are a tool that you use that cannot always explain,
cannot always convey the spirit. Therefore you must use all of
your faculties. If you speak spirit then think spirit. If you
think spirit, speak spirit and if you think and speak spirit ensure
that your body behaves in the manner that you profess to think and
speak."
Question: You say that there are people on your side of life who do not believe in the earth life as there are earth people who do not believe in your side of life. Does that mean there are spirits over there that have not lead an earthly life?
"Don't misunderstand my words. Of course they know that the earth
plane exists but they are so far removed from the earth plane it is
not a place they would wish to return to. Now I don't wish to upset
anybody but you know there are lots of you who could ask "why
doesn't my loved one come back to me?". It is a matter of desire,
ability and need. They love you no less if they do not desire to
return. They love you no less if they do not have the ability to
return. They love you no less if there is not a necessity to
return.
For return in itself is a word that is inadequate. Love is eternal.
If you build, if you create bonds of love in one plane of existence
and one of you should depart - should move into another plane of
existence - that love remains eternal.
Therefore use all your faculties and comprehension of your loved
ones that comes to our side of life. Just because they do not
speak it does not mean they are not present. Just because you do
not hear them does not mean that they do not speak to you.
If you love - if you have love, then love will last for all
eternity. If it is possible, to create certain conditions then
your loved ones will come to you and those of us who take upon
ourselves what we may to make it possible that loved ones may speak
to you by the power of God. If it be His will, we shall make it
possible for their voices, their presence, and their loving touch
to be known once again within the environment of the earth
plane.
Question: Do you come to speak to us for personal desire or do you come as a representative of your world?
"I am a voice for a collection of spirits who call ourselves The
Diamond. I am merely the voice, I try to convey my personality to
you. I think that is somewhat of a necessity on these
occasions.
I do not speak entirely for myself and I have no desire to express
my own personal feelings. If I spoke of my feelings, of my time
upon earth, I think you would find me a most deplorable chap to
speak to. Upon my time on the earth plane, I lived a life that I
would not wish upon any of you. I lead a deplorable life. I had
no love or concern for anyone. I passed into the state of spirit
when I was confronted with myself. If you paint a hideous and ugly
picture it is very hard to look at, you know. I then set myself
the task to learn and to comprehend and come to understand this
thing that had eluded me all of my earthly life - the emotion of
true love, of unconditional love.
My sole purpose for coming amongst you again is that I would save
you having to confront a hideous picture. So that when you pass to
our side of life your knowledge, your acceptance of love will ease
and aid your progression." Better it be that you comprehend and
understand love now in your plane of existence that you reside
within now so that when you come to our side of life your knowledge,
your acceptance of love will ease and aid your progression."
Question: What is the whole point of our existence? Is it a trial? Why do we have this life and not your life? Why are we in the earth plane rather than in the spirit lands?
"Not all of spirit, that you would call human spirit that walks
upon the earth plane, resides or even enters into the earth plane.
That is a matter that we would have to discuss in great depth.
Well I think that some of you know this. I know this to be so.
There are those of you that have influences, friends on our side of
life that have told you that they have not walked the earth plane,
but nonetheless they are human spirit - this is indeed so is it
not?" (Many present answered "yes").
This last question was only partly answered. Magnus obviously
considered that a full answer would take up much more time than was
available.