Session Start: Sat Mar 04 15:46:08 2000 [15:46] *** Now talking in #EBiscool [15:46] *** Orbfighta (orbfighter@alzarius-1-48.mdm.mke.execpc.com) has joined #EBiscool [15:46] *** Orbfighta changes topic to 'Tell me... what's this about?' [15:46] *** Retrieving #EBiscool info... [15:47] *** Falcon24 changes topic to 'Pants.' [15:47] *** Retrieving #EBiscool info... [15:47] *** Falcon24 changes topic to 'Discussion.' [15:47] *** Buzz-Buzz (velda@phn-az22-98.ix.netcom.com) has joined #EBiscool [15:47] *** godofcows changes topic to 'Discussion' [15:47] *** godofcows sets mode: +nt [15:47] *** Falcon24: you're not channel operator [15:47] Buzz-Buzz: Are you suggesting that every last person who sticks with the old domain will get their own section to do whatever they want? [15:48] well, something like that........ [15:48] *** EBaholic (EBaholic@we-24-24-141-183.we.mediaone.net) has joined #EBiscool [15:48] *** ^Mookie^ (~mooksenio@ppp102.lazerlink.net) has joined #EBiscool [15:48] *** Foppy (Foppy@ppp455.whatcom.pacificrim.net) has joined #EBiscool [15:48] *** {J}ericho (jericholic@209.189.119.96) has joined #EBiscool [15:48] no flaming [15:48] everybody will have an equal voice, and be able to negotitate..... [15:48] * ^Mookie^ grins maliciously [15:48] <^Mookie^> that's bull shit Buzz-Buzz [15:48] * Foppy frowns angrily [15:48] mookie! [15:48] <^Mookie^> no way will it ever work [15:48] <^Mookie^> sorry [15:48] don't cuss [15:48] <^Mookie^> k [15:48] Well, if that was so....anyone could get a portion of EB.net, and they could put up anything. Anti-government, porno, violent or racist material... [15:49] <{J}ericho> Buzz-Buzz: quick question, with this concept of the people having power, were/are you aiming for anarchy or something like socialism? [15:49] <^Mookie^> or they could just delete EB.net all together [15:49] My dream to have an online community, with alot of hosted sites, barring that, they will have external link aliases. [15:49] I've already planned for that, Falcon... [15:49] Buzz do you even know HTML [15:49] Haven't you read the forums? over 100 Earthbounders all agree on one thing... You're making a bad choice [15:49] can you even run a website? [15:49] *** cactusbob (spongebob@port712.sktc.net) has joined #EBiscool [15:49] Why do we even bother asking questions. All Buzz does is avoid questions & sugar coat his lies [15:49] *** Orbfighta is now known as Orbf|Idle [15:49] I'm going idle 2--10 2-- [pager:off] 6{-12Auto3Orb6-} Version 2.0 [15:49] What do you plan to do to people who do something like that, Buzz-Buzz? [15:49] *** Orbf|Idle is now known as Orbfighta [15:49] Back 2-- 10 2-- 6{-12Auto3Orb6-} Version 2.0 [15:49] <^Mookie^> Buzz-Buzz, why didnt you reply to my email? [15:50] wait [15:50] guys we need to do this one at a time [15:50] To much hate mail to sort through [15:50] Sorry goc [15:50] <^Mookie^> hehe [15:50] be civil or I'll rely on the +m [15:50] I am working on setting up a system of rules (approved by 3/4 of the EBers) that will act as an EB.Net constitution.... [15:50] and have a voiced discusssion [15:50] *** EBounding (ebounding@c1013157-b.roalok1.mi.home.com) has joined #EBiscool [15:51] Aha...you struck a very interesting topic with me indeed. [15:51] Who are the EB-ers? [15:51] There will also be a "Onett Police" (ops, elected by the EBers), who will patrol everything within EB.Net jurisdiction. [15:51] Certainly not the Earthbound.net community [15:51] I happen to know a lot on liberties and rights. [15:51] Well [15:51] so you are STILL having people with power [15:51] Here's how I see it: [15:51] which is what you hated about the eb.net reidman ran [15:51] absolutely@goc. [15:51] Maybe they're your personal cronies [15:51] That's the Earthbound way! [15:51] If the staff members and ops are elected by the EB'ers, they'll simply vote for themselves, and nothing will get done. [15:51] it's the way reidman ran the site! [15:52] Yep [15:52] Thats the way everyone likes it [15:52] * cactusbob likes sugar coating, but doesn't like buzz-buzz [15:52] <^Mookie^> hehe [15:52] moderation [15:52] ! [15:52] yay [15:52] *** Saturnman (earthbness@98A6FF6D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [15:52] * ^Mookie^ thinks Buzz-Buzz has no frickin clue how to run a website [15:52] nooooooooo [15:52] *** Saturnman (earthbness@98A6FF6D.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [15:52] ^Mookie^ [15:52] quiet [15:52] no, if anybody doesn't like any staffmember, they'll be able to RECALL him, (on sm.net, reidman can hire, or fire, by his executive privilege) [15:52] well [15:52] sm.net should be called reidman.net [15:52] that's the thing [15:52] somehow...i don't believe the 3/4 part [15:52] Say that someone is elected [15:52] Your site sould be iamalamer.net [15:52] not everyone gets along [15:52] uh, huh.... [15:53] Don't you guys get it? Buzz Buzz is just ignoring anything logical that you're saying. [15:53] <^Mookie^> yeh [15:53] <^Mookie^> I know [15:53] I think that it's 3/4 of Buzz's group of fools [15:53] and I don't like them...they're gone, just like that? What if I said that I didn't like you? Would you be gone then? [15:53] not the Eb Community [15:53] Of course he is [15:53] <^Mookie^> 3/4 of 1? [15:53] "I fool will dispise the wisdom of your words" [15:53] *A [15:53] <^Mookie^> how do you LOSE a 3/4 of 1 decision [15:53] Wait. If 3/4 or us vote that we want you gone & that we want Reid back, then you have to do it right!? [15:53] If 3/4 of the EBers said I was doing a bad job,.... then yes, I'd resign. [15:53] Haven't you read the forums, Buzz-Buzz? over 100 Earthbounders all agree on one thing... You're making a bad choice. [15:54] (If I got elected in the first place, I might not even run for anything) [15:54] Theres your 98% [15:54] * cactusbob wonders if buzz-buzz is just doing this for attention [15:54] Well then. [15:54] <^Mookie^> hehe [15:54] More than your needed 3/4 [15:54] oh wait [15:54] I don't know exactly how many people will stay with you, Buzz-Buzz. [15:54] So by your rules stop this [15:54] yeah [15:54] *** Saturnman (earthbness@98A6FF6D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [15:54] Like 3 [15:54] But if my guess is correct, that 3/4 majority will not be too many people. [15:54] if 3/4 of the people vote for reid and the others back will you put them back as staff [15:54] besides, I'm POSITIVE reid doesn't wanna come back, he's happy with his little sm.net kingdom. [15:54] No Buzz [15:54] We're just disgusted with you [15:55] * cactusbob still wonders if buzz-buzz is just doing this for attention [15:55] Buzz Buzz your acting like a fool and you know it [15:55] time will tell, Falcon. [15:55] I'd be happy with a fan base of 500 people [15:55] wouldn't you be, buzz? [15:55] amen@Foppy! [15:55] IS THERE ANY POINT TO THIS AT ALL??? [15:55] *** trustflex (trustflex@Integ-Bordeaux-1-4-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #EBiscool [15:55] do your truly expect to have 500 people on that site tho? [15:55] <^Mookie^> not really [15:55] Cactus, no, there isn't. Buzz here ignores anything logical you say. [15:55] be it 5, 500, or 5,000,000, if their dedicated EBers, I want them. [15:55] Gawd. See he can not answer a question withough avoiding it or sugar coating one of his lies [15:55] I've only seen a handful of supporters for you [15:55] 500 people...still, that's a lot. You got a lot of people angry at you Buzz-Buzz, I don't see that many people willing to see your point of view. [15:56] But, why must you take the Earthbound.net domain mane? [15:56] you are doing a very bad job, now resign!! [15:56] <^Mookie^> there will be 5 since they will see you destroyed the jewel of EB socirty [15:56] all of which wanted power,or hated reidman [15:56] <^Mookie^> or at least are mascurading as it [15:56] I can easily miltiply that 500 [15:56] and I plan on it [15:56] <{J}ericho> or those who understand that there are more ways to stability other than monarchy/oligarchy [15:56] You realize, now...that you will have to pay for the site virtually all by yourself. [15:56] That will cost a lot of money. [15:56] noone is happy with you [15:56] yeah running a website is not for free [15:56] If you would just set up your own server, maybe "ebcommunity.net" then everything would be FINE [15:57] *** trustflex (trustflex@Integ-Bordeaux-1-4-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #EBiscool [15:57] I hope he goes bankrupt and has to live in a cardboard box [15:57] * ^Mookie^ says: Buzz-Buzz like fools gold, worth nothing but wants all the attention [15:57] we're waisting our time unfortunatly [15:57] unless you get a really bad server [15:57] Are you willing to pull that much money out of your own pocket to satisfy 3 or 4 people? [15:57] <{J}ericho> EBaholic: what would that solve? [15:57] <^Mookie^> hehe [15:57] Nothing. But he deserves it [15:57] And not to mention, to fulfill your own ideas on what EB.net should be? [15:57] logic + buzz buzz = impossibility [15:57] That would cost even more. [15:57] cactusbob...be mature. [15:58] So Buzz, what's the status of your site? [15:58] yeah what IS the status [15:58] what has actually gotten done? [15:58] * ^Mookie^ says: Buzz-Buzz with domain name is like donkey with spinning wheel. No one know how he got it and darned if he knows how to use it [15:58] also 1/2 brain + buzzbuzz = 1/4 brain [15:58] heh [15:58] ^Mookie^! [15:58] *lol*@mookie [15:58] stop [15:58] grrr [15:58] Besides the illogical insults you hurl at reid and the current EB.net [15:58] heirarchy!!! [15:58] <^Mookie^> fine fine fine! [15:58] keep yo mouth shut if you don't have anything important to say [15:58] <^Mookie^> I'll stop for now [15:59] hold on [15:59] *** godofcows sets mode: +v Falcon24 [15:59] Buzz Buzz: Your insults are not only childesh, but uncalled for [15:59] *** godofcows sets mode: +v EBounding [15:59] *** godofcows sets mode: +v Buzz-Buzz [15:59] <{J}ericho> insults? [15:59] Buzz are you comprehending any of this? [15:59] this is just in case you guys keep on flaming [15:59] You had no right, and no reason to insult Reid, Tomato, or Meella [15:59] (jeesh, y'all need to take a spelling course :) [15:59] US!? [15:59] Looks who is talking you hick [15:59] eb.net is already what it should be [15:59] I DID have a right to insult REID and TOMATO. [16:00] Y'all isn't even a word [16:00] No you did not [16:00] Please explain Buzz. [16:00] It's childish [16:00] A right? [16:00] (AND I DID NOT INSULT MEEELLLA) [16:00] we, the fans, formed it and sculped it into what it is today [16:00] Oh wait, you can't. [16:00] Yes you did we all know you did [16:00] * cactusbob will be more sane [16:00] Nobody has a right to insult anybody [16:00] Oh silly of me. You can't do anything logical. [16:00] Oh I almost forgot you insulted Luna to [16:00] how [16:00] hold on [16:00] I want an answer on something [16:00] goc... [16:00] O_o [16:00] so hush or I shall use +m [16:00] Tomato is a jack-ass, who would brood feelings against me, but never tell me to my face. [16:01] heh [16:01] and reid, well.........reid reid reid :) [16:01] You did the same to him, Buzz! [16:01] That is a crock of you know what [16:01] Buzz:What is the status of your site? [16:01] this is supposed to be not any mode [16:01] like i said the current eb.net is what it should be!!! we the fans made it!! [16:01] You totured Tomato [16:01] Buzz:How much have you gotten done? [16:01] tortured? [16:01] <^Mookie^> Buzz-Buzz, I have one serious question, as odd as it sounds. In your mind, is there any possiblity that you might be wrong and that you might be doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons without thinking about it and listening to the "EarthBound Movement" which is non-existant? [16:01] STOP! [16:01] How can you expect him to NOT harbor bad feelings agains you? [16:01] i feel +m [16:01] *** godofcows sets mode: +m [16:01] *** godofcows sets mode: +v EBaholic [16:01] *** godofcows sets mode: +v Orbfighta [16:01] *** cactusbob is now known as spongebob [16:01] How did I torture that caveman, exactly? [16:01] now [16:02] there we go. [16:02] before you answer anything else [16:02] by having him see daylight, once a month? :P [16:02] I want this one answer [16:02] See there you go again. [16:02] Thats not needed Buzz [16:02] Maybe when we stop flinging insults at each other moderation will be off. [16:02] how much have you gotten done on the site? [16:02] answer that [16:02] I'm serious! That guy is in his room 24/7, and doesn't like to make friends in real life. [16:03] Thats not the point [16:03] Buzz [16:03] answer my question [16:03] I thought I loved him, now I know that nobody can. [16:03] stop avoiding it [16:03] No one cares about anybody elses social behavior [16:03] Question is how much have you gotten done on the site? [16:03] Answer. [16:03] everyone else just wait [16:03] hmm [16:03] at the moment, we're about 25% completed on the basic skeleton. [16:03] *** ^Mookie^ has quit IRC (Signed off) [16:03] And what IS this skeleton? [16:03] how much have you gotten done on the site? [16:03] and what is that? [16:03] what is in this basic skeleton? [16:03] (the rest of the skeleton should be ready by April '00) [16:04] *** r_hippie7 (acidmax@dialup01-33.fulton-net.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:04] And what will you do in the way of visuals? [16:04] Logo's, sidebars, etc. [16:04] All of the main body (or skin) will be contributed by the 2,000+ Earthbounders. [16:04] Well. [16:04] No it won't [16:04] None of us wil send you antying [16:04] why is that Buzz? [16:04] *Anything [16:04] because you have no skills to do it yourself? [16:04] What if the 2000+ EB'ers have varying ideas of what EB.net should look like? It would clash, etc. [16:04] Exactly [16:04] because you have no HTML experience? [16:04] It needs a common scheme. [16:04] That to [16:05] Dial us up this April, Falcon (you'll be PLEASANTLY surprised) :) [16:05] O_o [16:05] we'll vote! [16:05] I am not dialing up a single thing that you have a hand in [16:05] simple at that! :) [16:05] And I know that the vast majority of people agree with me. [16:05] *** EBGuru (empjade@user-38lca4g.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:05] *** godofcows sets mode: +v EBGuru [16:06] *** Luna` (~echo_dolp@199.44.182.215) has joined #EBiscool [16:06] So, contributions play a major role in your "movement" correct? [16:06] I have another question. [16:06] *** r_hippie7 (acidmax@dialup01-33.fulton-net.com) has left #EBiscool [16:06] *** Godeg (mikesemail@dial56-131.w-link.net) has joined #EBiscool [16:06] You say that you are for the people of EB.net Hundreds of people posted. No, pleaded with you to leave things the same. [16:06] So if you are so "For the EarthBounders" you would leave it like it is [16:06] it's not MY movement, it's the EARTHBOUND Movement. [16:07] ugh [16:07] *** godofcows sets mode: +v Luna` [16:07] See [16:07] Of course it is [16:07] He can't answer the question [16:07] You don't seem to understand that the EARTHBOUND movement is the PEOPLE. [16:07] thanks goc. [16:07] I saw the posts, they broke my heart....... [16:07] Don't lie [16:07] your a liar [16:07] If they did you would understand [16:07] The people said unanimously, "No." [16:07] That means you ignored them [16:07] You would leave things the way that they are [16:07] if they did you would have let the site stay [16:07] I tried to reason with reid, to reach a compromise.... but he had to be sampson. [16:07] Bit you go with your own little agenda [16:07] your just like a little 3 year old [16:07] WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU [16:07] when you don't get your way you throw a fit [16:07] bringing the whole house down on top of him. [16:07] Forget the compramise [16:08] and your fit was taking the domain name [16:08] You are being a fool [16:08] Buzz, so, the posts broke your heart. Why? I dare you to anser. [16:08] answer [16:08] EBaholic...try to tone down the insults. [16:08] EBaholic tone it down [16:08] Sorry [16:08] * Falcon24 uses Luna`'s head as a chair [16:08] Because I care about the EBers, and I was powerless to make reid listen. [16:09] I can not beleive that a person would just simply ignore so many people. [16:09] So many pleas to not change something [16:09] but Buzz don't you see [16:09] * Luna` brushes him off [16:09] Doing what I did was the HARDEST THING I DID IN MY LIFE!!!! [16:09] Well, the EB'ers wanted you to keep your hands off the domain name...but you didn't care about them then, eh? [16:09] the tyrant is you [16:09] I don't beleive that [16:09] If you cared about THEM, why did you do the opposite thing they wanted. Answer Buzz. [16:09] Not for a second [16:09] because you took what the people wanted most [16:09] Yep. [16:09] and that was reid's site at earthbound.net [16:09] you didn't do that for them [16:09] *** r_hippie7 (acidmax@dialup01-33.fulton-net.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:09] you did that because of a personal vendetta against reid [16:10] and tomato [16:10] I've got a question... Don't you think your views on the EB situation are a little too liberal, a little too "hippie-ish"? [16:10] If you cared about THEM, why did you do the opposite thing they wanted. Answer Buzz. [16:10] yes Buzz answer that [16:10] Because reid was not willing to discuss, or even listen.... before he set up the posts, he said "don't bother e-mailing me, I'll just delete whatever comes from you", he gave me no choice, just an ULTIMATUM. [16:10] see this is still about REID [16:10] What does that have to do with what the EarthBounders wanted [16:10] Where were you while the site flourished? Off doing who knows what. We have grown to all be friends. If you wanted your "EarthBound Movement" to be good you would leave things as they are because there already IS a EB Movement. [16:11] So buzz, I ask once again: [16:11] you didn't answer about the EBers [16:11] If you cared about THEM, why did you do the opposite thing they wanted. Answer Buzz. [16:11] Thats what I want to know [16:11] *** KiloStar (orbfighter@ferengal-2-124.mdm.mke.execpc.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:11] I just did! [16:11] No you didn't [16:11] no you didn't [16:11] you answered about reid [16:11] No, you were talking about reid [16:11] not about the EBers [16:11] that has nothing to do with reid. [16:11] You showed that everything you do is based on your vendeta for Reid [16:11] why did you do the oposite of what they wanted [16:11] If you cared about THEM, why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:11] don't answer because reid made me do it [16:11] You are doing this because you don't like Reid or Tomato. [16:12] Notice how reid is not in that sentence. [16:12] yes, EBaholic, I agree [16:12] Maybe I should make it clearer [16:12] Thank you [16:12] I'm sick of talking to you, you know the answers, you just can't accept the truth. [16:12] we can't accept the truth? [16:12] Answers? [16:12] Sure buzz, just avoid the questions [16:12] What answers? [16:12] reidman is a tyrant, and now we're free of his tyranny. [16:12] who is the one who ignored all the people [16:12] *** Orbfighta has quit IRC (Ping timeout for Orbfighta[alzarius-1-48.mdm.mke.execpc.com]) [16:12] We never heard the answer. [16:12] You don't GIVE us any answers [16:12] I think this is mostly about Anti-Reid, not Pro-EB Movement... [16:12] Okay. [16:12] you ignored the truth that we wanted reid's site on earthbound.net [16:12] You avoid every question & blame it on Reid [16:12] Buzz just avoid the questions. You're so transparent. [16:13] Oh YES, buzz buzz, we're free of our friends! now all we have is enemies! [16:13] You just talked about how you couldn't agree with reid..you didn't tell us why you're doing this even though the entire community pleaded with you not to. [16:13] Buzz-Buzz, how many hits do you expect your new site will get? [16:13] 3000+ on a good day, like EB.Net? [16:13] Were not free of a tyranical Webmaster Buzz buzz. Can't you see that? We all love Reid. Reid is our friend [16:13] that doesn't matter EBGuru [16:13] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:13] Exactly [16:13] You refuse to answer this. [16:13] Here's an example: [16:14] Don't you? [16:14] Falcon, if reid offered me something, ANYTHING, any hope of a compromise, all this would have been averted... [16:14] Because he has no logical answer, [16:14] I agree, Ebounding [16:14] I am an EB'er, Buzz-Buzz, don't do this to EB.net. [16:14] Do I have a voice? [16:14] *** KiloStar is now known as Orbfighta [16:14] of course, Falcon! [16:14] *** spongebob has quit IRC (Baltimore-R.MD.US.Undernet.Org Vancouver.BC.CA.Undernet.org) [16:14] You sure do. Everyone does. contrary to Buzz's idea [16:14] yes, Falcon, loud and clear [16:14] Then why are you ignoring the EBers? [16:14] Well then, why do you still insist on taking away the domain from us? [16:15] Because he can't stand that he isn't a part of the community [16:15] *** spongebob (spongebob@port712.sktc.net) has joined #EBiscool [16:15] I'm not, after seeing their posts, I tried to get reid to negotiate, but he too full of pride... [16:15] * Falcon24 rolls his eyes [16:15] No you didn't [16:15] That is a crock [16:15] Hey Buzz: [16:15] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:15] why did reid have to negotiate at all [16:15] buzz buzz, how are you going to manage your new site? give everyone part-time ownership? It won't last more than a week. hackers will be on it like a pride of lions. [16:15] it's time somebody did something to bring him back to Earth1 [16:15] ! [16:15] people wanted things like they were [16:15] so why not leave them that way [16:15] Buzz, want to answer a question? [16:16] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:16] or are you too much of a coward? [16:16] He is at Earth Buzz. Everyone knows that [16:16] *** Saturnman is now known as VoiceMe [16:16] That is a total cop out [16:16] show your "courage" buzz [16:16] *** godofcows sets mode: +i [16:16] *** VoiceMe was kicked by godofcows (No nick changing during +m -- AutoEB) [16:16] We'll discuss security measures, `Luna (if you'd like to come to the meeting, you're cordially invited) [16:16] *** godofcows sets mode: -i [16:16] Answer goc, Buzz. [16:16] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:16] Coward? listen nerd-boy, I'll take you on right here! [16:16] Oh gawd [16:16] you are not showing love and friendship [16:16] And so the real Buzz Buzz comes out [16:16] oh jeez. [16:16] Please Buzz, how about you answer the question first. Then we'll take each other on [16:17] your challenging me to a fight [16:17] buzz buzz, get your head out of the clouds. you think reid's a coward, blame everything on tomato, and then you expect us to join you and LIKE you? [16:17] you aren't even sticking to your three morals [16:17] Yeah [16:17] your a phony [16:17] a fake [16:17] Sharlatin [16:17] What are your three morals again? [16:17] no, I agree with goc, what happened to the "EarthBound Values" of wisdom and friendship? [16:17] Wisdom, Courage, and Frienship [16:17] I think #1 is "I like to take away something that means a whole loit to hundreds of people" [16:17] yes [16:17] ok now I will show how you messed up [16:18] (and their not MY morals, they're what buzz buzz says to Ness before passing away) [16:18] That wasn't to friendly Buzz [16:18] Oh so now your story changes [16:18] 1. you showed no wisdom in taking reid's site away from the domain when that is what everyone wanted [16:18] 2. You don't have the courage to answer our questions [16:18] Friendship -- well, you just broke all possible chances of ever getting friends by taking the domain. Wisdom -- did you actually think this through? Courage -- i'll give you that much. It takes big cahones to do what you're doing. [16:18] That it does [16:18] 3. You show no friendship and challenge me to a fight: Coward? listen nerd-boy, I'll take you on right here! [16:19] That isn't very friendly [16:19] heh [16:19] that's what you get for calling me a coward. [16:19] So Buzz, show us how you aren't cowardly and answer: [16:19] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:19] You lack all 3 of the qualities that you preach [16:19] * Falcon24 uses Luna`'s head as a chair [16:19] You ARE a coward Buzz [16:19] *** godofcows sets mode: -v EBaholic [16:19] *** godofcows sets mode: -v EBGuru [16:19] *** godofcows sets mode: -v Luna` [16:19] just hold on a sec [16:19] ! [16:19] BECAUSE REIDMAN GAVE ME NO CHOICE, THAT"S WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!! [16:19] we're getting an answer to this question 1 way or the other [16:19] no [16:20] forget about reid [16:20] that does NOT have to do with taking the site away [16:20] the entire community is pleading with you to leave the domain alone. [16:20] that is still about reid [16:20] *** Saturnman (earthbness@98A6FF6D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:20] I KEPT PLEADING WITH HIM TO TALK WITH ME, TO WORK THIS OUT, HE JUST WANTED TO RIDE HIS HIGH HORSE. [16:20] You always have a choice...let us keep the domain. [16:20] so give me a straight answer [16:20] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:20] If you cared about EBers (not ANY of the staff, or Tomato, or reid), why did you do the opposite thing they wanted? [16:20] Answer the question WITHOUT MENTIONING REID. [16:20] yeah [16:20] don't say reid anywhere in the answer [16:20] because it has nothing to do with him! [16:20] don't mention him [16:21] give us the REAL answer [16:21] not your sugar coated lie [16:21] What would Y'ALL HAVE DONE, IF SOMEBODY GAVE YOU AN ULTIMATUM? [16:21] Buzz, we said ANSWER the question [16:21] if 100s of people that I was trying to "save" [16:22] not give us a completely different question. [16:22] said to leave things like they were [16:22] I would leave things like they were and realize the error of my ways [16:22] The answer is: [16:22] *** r_hippie7 is now known as retroAWAY [16:23] I didn't want to to hurt the EBers, who felt so strongly about what was happening, but I had absolutely no choice! [16:23] That's my answer, and I'm sticking to it! [16:23] Ok Buzz [16:23] So, you WENT AGAINST the EBers, correct? [16:24] no, reid did! [16:24] How so Buzz? [16:24] no YOU did [16:24] you changed the site when they said not to [16:24] he didn't care about them, anymore than he cared about his own image..... [16:24] How did he go against them when they all support him, and don't want the site to be robbed? [16:25] And that's based on...? [16:25] he wanted to be a martyr, and not compromise with me. [16:25] The thing is, we like EB.net the way it is. We don't need a massive coup, a change in leadership. We all like reid, and we all think his decisions are best reprenting us. [16:25] The only people who will follow you are those who dislike reid for some reason or another. They care nothing for the "Earthbound Movement" [16:26] *** Saturnman has quit IRC (Read error to Saturnman[98A6FF6D.ipt.aol.com]: Connection reset by peer) [16:26] Foppy, do you even know what the compromise was? [16:27] if you guys have questions for buzz msg me them [16:27] O_o [16:27] I can't take it off +m tho [16:27] it'll get too crazy [16:28] So reid WENT AGAINST tge EBer's right? [16:28] *the [16:28] exactly! [16:28] How? [16:28] When it was you who took away what the EBers DID NOT WANT? [16:28] he CHOSE to go for glory, and not discuss the welfare of them. [16:28] And what is all of this based on Buzz? [16:29] I was willing to come (at least) halfway, he did not want to budge. [16:29] What events do you know of where he was thinking only of himself, and not the site and the EBers? [16:29] *sigh* [16:29] *** {J}ericho (jericholic@209.189.119.96) has left #EBiscool [16:30] I am sick of this discussion.......I have answered every question, at least 3 times now... [16:30] any OTHER questions, or is that it? [16:30] How about you answer that one? [16:30] you avoided each question at least 3 times [16:30] What events do you know of where he was thinking only of himself, and not the site and the EBers? [16:30] *** retroAWAY is now known as r_hippie7 [16:30] What events do you know of where he was thinking only of himself, and not the site and the EBers? [16:31] Spongebob, halfway was a proposal that `Mars and I had worked out earlier, it was an idea to "marry" the Movement with reid's super-cool site.... [16:32] What events do you know of where he was thinking only of himself, and not the site and the EBers? [16:32] answer that [16:32] Tomato kept telling reid (behind my back) not to go ahead with it, and that it would be "a sad day" if any of my ideas were incorporated. [16:32] it is a sad day [16:33] look how many people are sad and disgusted about this [16:33] for the 4th (and last) time, goc... [16:33] Yes. That's true. And how is that selfish to the EarthBounders? [16:33] When they like what reid is doing, yet greatly HATE what you're doing? [16:33] you know how much they hated it [16:34] reidman put up advertising (even though the majority of EBers opposed it), and he refused to reason with me, even after 500 Earthbounders started getting angry at the events that were unfolding. [16:34] in #earthbound the topic of discussion for 8 hours was how stupid your decision to do this was [16:34] and how much people hated what you are doing [16:34] Ok, first the advertising [16:34] There is ONE THING I'd like to say to the EBers, as a whole, right now.... [16:35] Sure, everyone didn't want ads, but then they LOGICALLY realized how MONEY is needed for a site of such caliber. Plus the ad is well hidden anyway. [16:35] What's that Buzz? [16:36] I'd like to apologize for the childish behavior that reid and I displayed, and for putting you through all that has happened, YOU are the reason EB.Net is what it is, and I promise I'll do my best to manage a fast, peaceful transition, to a site where you'll all have a much bigger voice..... please bear with us. [16:37] As an EarthBounder, can I reply? [16:37] sure! [16:37] Great. I (and probably hundreds of others) have contributed to the site. [16:37] in one way or another [16:38] As far as I can tell, my fellow EarthBounders were really happy with how we could contribute, or just love what's on the site [16:39] But now all my fellow EarthBounders are really, enraged over what you've done. There is no peace, and no one understands why there had to be a change. [16:39] Like I said earlier....... I prayed that this could be avoided, but unfortunately, it could not. [16:39] Buzz how can you save us from someone we love? [16:40] you said you were saving us from reid [16:40] few people have a problem with him, and VERY few have a problem with how he operates the site. [16:41] *** Foppy has quit IRC (Signed off) [16:41] If he had just been willing to compromise, all of this could have been avoided.... so far I've gotten about 10 e-mails from EBers saying things like "the emperor is dead", or "the resistance has won", that's how they felt about him. [16:42] What about the other mails? [16:42] yeah [16:42] what about the others [16:42] Besides the oneS from Carl Winslow etc [16:42] that's like 10 out of 100 [16:42] I, Personally, liked him, and felt he could open his heart up,..... I was wrong :( [16:42] But what about your other mails? [16:42] I'm sure I know those 10 people anyway [16:43] they PERSONALLY dislike reid [16:43] not how he runs the site [16:43] because they still visit the site. [16:43] and alot of people PERSONALLY dislike you now [16:44] Any ?s. [16:44] yes [16:44] how many OTHER emails did you get? [16:44] about how they didn't want you to change the site [16:44] *** PaleQueen (EtHo@dyn-212-129-7-117.paris.none.net) has joined #EBiscool [16:44] answer it [16:44] about 56 (total) [16:45] that really outnumbers those 10 [16:45] wait... [16:45] that's probably 3/4 right? [16:45] some were from reid's cronies telling me how much they hate me, others were from innocent EBers, who were scared by what was happening. [16:45] no, goc. [16:45] or more [16:45] reid's cronies are the staff right? [16:46] yeah, I guess. [16:46] *** godofcows sets mode: +o Falcon24 [16:46] I'm idling [16:46] Yeah. Why should we hate you. I mean, you just made our HOURS (even days) of work meaningless [16:46] falcon is now op [16:46] *** godofcows sets mode: +v Luna` [16:46] *** godofcows sets mode: +v EBaholic [16:46] thanks, goc [16:46] *** godofcows sets mode: +o EBounding [16:46] EBounding [16:46] Thank you [16:47] please do not do anything rash [16:47] *** PaleQueen (EtHo@dyn-212-129-7-117.paris.none.net) has left #EBiscool [16:47] *** godofcows is now known as gocAWAY [16:47] I'm away -- AutoEB [16:47] buzz buzz, I had no problem with you before. even whilst others raged, I stayed out of it, stayed neutral. YOU brought this on yourself. [16:47] He did [16:47] I did not hate you before. You have brought me to hate you [16:47] Luna`, y do you hate me? [16:48] *** Y2J|gone (jericholic@209.189.119.96) has joined #EBiscool [16:48] because I didn't cave-in to Team Reidman? [16:48] and I am not a crony. I am a bystander. [16:48] I'm doing this for YOU, Luna`,.... you're gonna have a voice in this, from now on. [16:48] There is no team Reidman buzz. There is team EB.net On that team is everyone [16:48] no. because you are wrong. because you think it's everyone else's fault, never yours. [16:48] Luna does have a voice already [16:48] Buzz we already have a voice [16:49] How do the EBer's NOT have a voice? [16:49] I don't want a voice. I'm quiet happy with dictator reid, and I didn't need saving. [16:49] -Orbfighta- can I have a voice? [16:49] Well that's your choice luna [16:49] heh [16:49] arg...dad took the net for a while. [16:49] back now [16:49] Luna`, sweetheart, I know you're saddened with the events that transpired (so am I :( ), but I couldn't stop them, anymore than I could stop the sun from setting. [16:50] okay, NO [16:50] Oh gawd [16:50] Oh jeez. [16:50] Now your asking for it [16:50] Poetic, yet personally I would find that insulting. [16:50] I get sweetheart from lamers. don't make me sick [16:50] *lol* you're spunky! [16:51] Oh jeez. [16:51] Buzz no one is trying to be funny [16:51] You sir, are a disgusting pig. [16:51] Buzz-Buzz...no one is trying to be funny, and you're insulting her. [16:51] you remind me of a girl-EBer I used to know named "Mani Mani". [16:51] YOu need to take things more seriousley because you need to see how mad everyone is [16:51] right back at you, EBounding! [16:51] I am using every strand of dignity I have not to be really mad [16:51] I think everyone in here will agree [16:51] I'm not insulting anybody! [16:51] with me. [16:51] Buzz what happened to that kindness rule? [16:51] SCUSE ME [16:51] I am inclined to agree with EBounding on this one [16:51] *** EBounding sets mode: +v Orbfighta [16:51] That is utterly sexist. [16:51] NOT INSULTING ANYONE!? [16:52] you think I wasn't just insulted! [16:52] I think you JUST insulted Luna and EBounding [16:52] is something troubling you, Luna`? [16:52] ok [16:52] Yeah you I bet [16:52] THIS IS SICK [16:52] now [16:52] I apologise if I offended you, Luna`, I was just trying to melt some of this ice. [16:52] Buzz-Buzz...you just treated her like men treated women about 200 years ago. [16:52] *cough* lier *cough* [16:52] you just ended up making me super-mad. congrats [16:52] ... [16:53] I assure you, sweetheart, that was NOT my intention. [16:53] this is why people take sides againest you [16:53] EBGuru says he has something important to say. [16:53] this is just fighting [16:53] oh geez [16:53] !!! [16:53] So I'll voice him [16:53] not again [16:53] I hope you happy Buzz, Because the amount of people who dislike you grows with each word you say [16:53] See ther you go again [16:53] but watch it, EBGuru... [16:53] I just walked in I'd rather not stay to see this [16:53] *** Falcon24 sets mode: +v EBGuru [16:53] *** EBounding sets mode: -v Orbfighta [16:53] go ahead, fellow Earthbounder! [16:53] What is it you wanted to say? [16:54] Jeez [16:54] Ok, Buzz-Buzz, I happened to know Mani-Mani. [16:54] Nobody treated her ANY different that any guy [16:54] *** `Indeo (_Indeo@ABDE4804.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:54] and nobody wanted her to [16:54] so, since you have the ideal of friendship, [16:55] uh,...........what is your question? [16:55] *** spaanoft (spawnoft@cm-1-til-ppp19.kwic.com) has joined #EBiscool [16:55] I thing calling girl EBers "sweetheart" isn't going to make you any friends [16:55] *think [16:55] *** spaanoft is now known as GONEoft [16:55] Is THAT it? [16:55] *** Falcon24 sets mode: +o GONEoft [16:56] so, I'm asking, do you WANT people to hate you? [16:56] * GONEoft does stuff [16:56] *** icEFusioN (fire13@RD0337.CBPU.COM) has joined #EBiscool [16:56] kay-o, from now on, Luna`, I won't call you "sweetheart" anymore.. [16:56] ... [16:56] feel better? [16:56] no [16:56] I have a question. [16:56] I'm out [16:56] y not? [16:56] *** gocAWAY sets mode: +v icEFusioN [16:56] EBGuru [16:56] something else troubling you? [16:56] Luna, do you want to continue with what you were saying? [16:56] erg [16:56] nevermind [16:57] *** Falcon24 sets mode: -v EBGuru [16:57] not you again, EBAholic :( [16:57] Yeah me. [16:57] Ok here it is. Just answer a simple yes, or no please. [16:57] You say that Reidman is tyranical correct? [16:57] Luna`, what is troubling you? [16:57] ok I'm leaving now [16:57] bye [16:57] Bye, goc. [16:57] -gocAWAY- I'm away -- 3 tv  -- AutoEB [16:57] see ya goc [16:57] Cya goc [16:57] Not at the moment, Ebounding. wait a tick [16:57] *** `Indeo is now known as Guruzeth [16:57] l8er, goc! [16:57] Okay [16:58] dude [16:58] why don't I get a good journey [16:58] Indeo [16:58] change your nick back NOW. [16:58] --Good Journey! :) [16:58] *** gocAWAY has quit IRC (good journey.........man that's lame) [16:58] lol!!! [16:58] *** Guruzeth (_Indeo@ABDE4804.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [16:58] Ha! [16:58] (he asked for it! :P ) [16:58] Now then... [16:59] You say that you are doing this to free the people from Reidman and from not having a voice [16:59] *** Orbfighta has quit IRC (Signed off) [16:59] correct? [16:59] correct..... [16:59] But the people like reid.. [16:59] You say that many of the ideas that Reid & tomato has (such as EB No Mitsuri) were a waste correct? [17:00] yeah! ('cause they ARE) [17:00] You say that Tomato poisoned Reid correct? [17:00] EBaholic [17:00] get to the point, please. [17:00] that was my choice of words.... [17:00] They are the ones paying the server space though.. [17:00] Are you going somewhere with this? [17:00] sure [17:00] amen@Falcon24 [17:00] I am always going somewhere wit it [17:00] So now I shall precde to my point [17:00] Don't amen me. I'm no divine figure. [17:01] :) [17:01] If you please, EBaholic :) [17:01] Buzzbuzz, you don't understand. It's the things that SEEM useless that often enhance the community. Such as all the #earthbound people in tigeryak's 'ghosty' game. [17:01] Do you have *ANY* proof at all. that anything that Reid or Tomato did was tyranical. Do you have *ANY* proof that Tomato poised Reid? [17:01] yes... [17:01] *** Saturnman (earthbness@98A6F26C.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:01] Cause I seem to think that these are all little lies from your mind to cover up your own little agenda [17:02] I found out that Tomato was e-mailing reid, and his team, behind my back.... that he was disscussing projects, without approval from the EBers, and that he had a strong anti-buzz buzz agenda. [17:02] I think what he's trying to say is...here we are, diverse people from all over the country, the world even..and through EB.net, we bonded together. By taking away the domain, it is as if you are trying to destroy the community. [17:02] Yes thats correct. [17:02] *** Y2J|gone (jericholic@209.189.119.96) has left #EBiscool [17:03] Buzz. Reid doesn't need our approval [17:03] We support everything that he does [17:03] We like his ideas [17:03] he does now :P [17:03] We like EB No Matsure [17:03] If he needed our approval for everything, nothing would get done. [17:03] Because no one (even EBers) don't approve of your ideas [17:03] We like EB.net seiges NOA [17:03] We like Reidman most of all. [17:03] Like I said...EB.net runs like the US does. A republican democracy. reid et al are our representatives, and they carry out business, doing things they feel are in our best interests. [17:03] Indeed, [17:04] I have one last question and then I am done for a while [17:04] it sounds to me like you're supporters of sm.net.... [17:04] Of course we are [17:04] Speaking of SM.net [17:04] You should have known that the *SECOND* you came in here [17:04] go ahead, EBaholic. [17:04] is that a ? [17:04] No I am getting to it lemme type [17:05] You claim that you do everything for the all of us. So if thats true then sureley you would have reconsidered your decision by reading the hundreds of posts on that thread pleading with you to not change anything. And don't give me that this was a hard decision because I don't buy that. [17:06] For the 5th, (and very last) time........ [17:06] Don't give me one of you sugar coated lies [17:06] I DID reconsider my decision. [17:06] and don't avoid the question like you have been doing [17:06] Then why did Reid have to register sm.net? [17:06] If you reconsidered he would still have EB.net [17:06] seeing all those sad EArthbounders, made me want to go back to talk with reidman.... [17:07] You are a hypocrate for this, buzzbuzz. If you want to run the site entirely by the people, then why are you trying to do this against their will? It's moronic! [17:07] Don't insult our intelligence Buzz. We know thats not true [17:07] You are doing this out of dislike for Reid & tomato & you know it [17:07] `Mars and I agreed to chat, and work out our differences, but reid wouldn't have it! [17:07] You're trying to FORCE a vote-centered site, not even having a vote for it. [17:07] *** EBounding has quit IRC (AutoEB Op v1.3) [17:07] indeed [17:08] (ask `Mars, if you don't believe me) [17:08] The chat doesn't mean a thing. The fact still remains that you are taking away something that we all love. [17:08] You are just avoiding the question like always. [17:08] reidman has the power to stop me, he's CHOOSING not to! [17:08] No he doesn't [17:08] You own the domain [17:08] yes he does, [17:08] He can't stop you [17:09] he could, if met with me, and worked out the differences.... [17:09] BuzzBuzz [17:09] No he couldn't [17:09] Because then it wouldn't be his anymore [17:09] You'd take it over with your 'anarchy' [17:09] EB.net is HIS [17:09] He does not WANT to, he wants to be a dictator. [17:09] No he doesn't [17:09] He is our friend. Not a dictator [17:09] (not according to InterNIC, EBaholic :P ) [17:10] and who is InterNIC? [17:10] Reid is 100 times a better person then you are. And he will ALWAYS be [17:10] Someone I have never heard of, no doubt? [17:10] BuzzBuzz you don't WANT him to own it either! Not because you care, but because you don't like being out on your own! [17:10] How do you consider him a dictator? [17:10] Falcon24: www.networksolutions.com [17:10] bah [17:10] whatever [17:10] They handle all the domain registering and stuff [17:10] I see. [17:10] And what about TRIP Records, eh? [17:10] Buzz you can not get past your hatred of Reid to make clear decisions [17:10] You do this all based of that [17:10] And not for the "Good of the EBers" [17:11] Like you claim you are doing [17:11] what about them? [17:11] Lets get one thing straight [17:11] buzz buzz, you act like we're all sad little puppies who have had their food taken away. We are NOT idiots. [17:11] Where is reidman? [17:11] We are the EB'ers. It is in our best interest to KEEP that domain and everything in it. [17:11] why isn't he here? [17:11] Probably working on eb.net, no doubt [17:11] But will you listen to us? No. If you did you wouldn't be kicking everyone out of the domain [17:11] transfering all the files [17:11] Definatley [17:11] he's hiding behind a table skirt, that's where he is... he knows he can't win a fair debate. [17:12] Buzzbuzz [17:12] Yes he can [17:12] * Falcon24 rolls his eyes [17:12] You are an idiot [17:12] HE has the support not YOU [17:12] He is sick of trying to talk to you because you don't LISTEN [17:12] Wanna know what reid's doing? [17:12] You never do! [17:12] Buzz you have to realize that by going through with this you are making countless enemies. [17:12] Something that you could never do. He's helping this community. [17:12] like I said, ask `Mars, if you don't believe me. [17:12] You don't even listen to the people you're "trying" to help! [17:12] Reidman is all for the people [17:13] reid listens to the people.. [17:13] he didn't go off and choose that new domain name by himself [17:13] *** Godeg has quit IRC (Read error to Godeg[dial56-131.w-link.net]: Connection reset by peer) [17:13] Abe Lincoln made ALOT of enemies, it didn't stop HIM. [17:13] *** Godeg (mikesemail@dial56-131.w-link.net) has joined #EBiscool [17:13] Yes [17:13] He put a poll up and let the people decide what it would be [17:13] But Abe Lincoln was shot. [17:13] So did hitler, buzzbuzz [17:13] Gawd Buzz [17:13] Abe Lincoln was also assassinated [17:13] Thas not the point [17:13] So did Lenin [17:14] hitler killed himself. there goes your examples. [17:14] So did Stalin [17:14] :) [17:14] thanks, Luna! [17:14] As the community, we do have outlets to tell the staff what we want. Mailbag, #earthbound meetings, and the message board to name a few. [17:14] Buzz can't handle the fact that he is wrong [17:14] He knows t. We know it. [17:14] but thats not the point [17:14] And on a side not [17:14] The audacity that you have to compare yourself to Abraham Lincoln!! [17:15] ugh. [17:15] no kidding [17:15] I'm not comparing myself to anybody..... I'm just drawing an analogy. [17:15] Seriousley [17:15] Analogy is a comparison [17:15] Hehe [17:15] heheheh [17:16] Heh [17:16] Buzz you are making the biggest mistake of your life [17:16] maybe I am [17:16] MAYBE? [17:16] You ARE. [17:16] Oh yes [17:16] indeed. [17:16] And you will see that in about a week or so. [17:16] At least, your eb-related life... [17:16] When SM.net is up and running, like reid plans it to be. [17:16] One day. Your gonna see what a big mistake you made and you are going to regret it. [17:17] I am going to make sure, that Buzz buzz's name goes down in history as the traitor of EB.net [17:17] And I can, and will see to it [17:17] I think it already has.. [17:17] any questions? or just flames? [17:18] Buzz-Buzz... [17:18] Buzzbuzz, are you listening to me? [17:18] yeah? [17:18] yeah! [17:18] I can think of another person like you who's name starts with a 'B' [17:18] Listen, [17:18] His last name was Arnold. [17:18] Lemme tell you something. If you ever see a 6'2" guy with yellow glasses on your doorstep. That'll be me. And you BETTER hope that I don't get my hands on you. [17:18] Benedict Arnold, to be exact. [17:18] The site is run with an iron fist [17:18] these are not flames. this is what is called "constructive criticism", not flaming. [17:18] yellow glasses...? [17:18] If the site was truly like this, nobody would be going to it [17:18] Our lives are not bound to it [17:18] *** Falcon24 sets mode: -v EBaholic [17:18] that's enough [17:18] (wasn't he the kid, on "Diffrent strokes"? :P ) [17:19] no.. :/ [17:19] Honestly, if we wanted to be "saved" from the "tyranny" of EB.net, we wouldn't visit it. [17:19] *** EBaholic (EBaholic@we-24-24-141-183.we.mediaone.net) has left #EBiscool [17:19] But we still visit it. Wanna know why? [17:19] We can choose to go to the site. If we don't like it, we can do other things. We aren't being oppressed. [17:19] Could you please voice EBguru? [17:19] Because we like the staff, and we have faith in their decisions. [17:20] *** Falcon24 sets mode: +v EBGuru [17:20] I wanted to hear what he had to say about Mani Mani. [17:20] thank you, Falcon! [17:20] wha? [17:20] *** Godeg has quit IRC (Read error to Godeg[dial56-131.w-link.net]: Connection reset by peer) [17:20] what was that you were saying about Mani? [17:21] I was done talking [17:21] We'll keep you voiced anyway [17:21] although [17:21] oh, never mind, then. [17:21] ...... [17:21] she didn't seem to have a problem with EB.Net, either :) [17:21] any de-voiced people, if you have any important things to say, msg me and I'll voice you. [17:21] she still doesn't! [17:21] Buzz-Buzz, you talk about the whole community doing everything as a whole. This brings me to the age old saying: "A person is smart, people are dumb". People specialize and do things modularly to get things done. It's a heirarchy that works over a web-like structure. [17:21] All successful business is heirarchial [17:21] Why? [17:22] Because there is no conflict within [17:22] absolutely Spawnoft! [17:22] You are planning a web-structured site [17:22] But that group of people should be RESPONSIBLE to the elect of the people as a whole... [17:22] It doesn't work at all over a small number of people [17:22] But that takes too long [17:22] we'll see. [17:22] Look at all successful businessmen [17:22] They do not vote [17:23] Let me put it this way, in terms of American History. [17:23] They do what they know works [17:23] Buzz-Buzz [17:23] They are VERY good at what they do [17:23] And that's what makes them successful [17:23] What you're proposing is like the Articles of Confederation..and EB.net is like our republican democracy today. [17:23] The Articles of Confederation wanted to give all powers to the states and the people. It didn't work that way! [17:24] You want to give all the power to the people. There are no checks and balances there. [17:24] * Falcon24 wonders why he isn't on the debate team [17:24] yes there are... [17:24] Here's what I see. [17:24] I'm sick of all your crap and lies Buzz-Buzz. Noone is going to visit your site because of what you did. The only people who will go there are the ones who have never been to EB.Net before and are looking for an EarthBound site. Consequently, they won't come back, because you will be the only one working on the site, and won't get anything accomplished. And I'm out. [17:24] *** icEFusioN (fire13@RD0337.CBPU.COM) has left #EBiscool [17:25] You are proposing a system where each person gets a section of the site, and you are trusting that through their own conscience, that they will be good dedicated little earthbounders. [17:25] Well let me tell you something. [17:25] one more thing, also........... reid's staffmembers were all (are all) computer-guys, EB.net's staffmembers will also include people who have other specialties, outside of it's internet home... [17:25] People aren't like that. [17:25] It'll be a true community! [17:25] BuzzBuzz, it's just a site!!! [17:25] We don't have enough people to make it that big! [17:25] As John Locke said, "Humans are by nature evil beings" [17:26] If you gave each loyal EB.netter a portion of the site, they'd abuse it. [17:26] no, There will be rules, and a constitution, approved and enforced by the members. [17:26] Even the Linux community, which has a HUGE following barely gets together. [17:26] You can force rules by each other! [17:26] That's anarchy! [17:26] But you are trusting that this constitution and the other members will uphold. [17:26] Well here's the deal [17:26] we'll work that out in the future, spawnoft. [17:26] So you're going to make a car without an engine. You'll work that out later, huh? [17:27] *lol* not x-actly. [17:27] Some of the best staff members can't program. [17:27] some can, though, Luna` [17:27] The people think of a constitution, and they say that swearing is allowed on the different areas. You don't like it, so you won't pass it. It all comes down to you, Buzz-Buzz. If you don't like what the EB.netters create, you have the power to change it. [17:27] SOME [17:27] You're on the mother of all power trips. [17:27] you just finished saying all of them can [17:28] I am POSITIVE that the majority of EBers don't want swearing, or any of that stuff. [17:28] BuzzBuzz, that doesn't matter [17:28] Buzz-Buzz...boy, what you don't know. [17:28] Because if one person wants to swear, they'll be able to on your site [17:28] Mot everyone who likes EB lives in the same idealistic society, without swearing, or innuendo, or racism. [17:28] You see...here's the difference: [17:28] Earthbound is a game, this is the real world. [17:28] There is no comparison. [17:28] If the power is 'in the hands of the people' [17:29] yes, according to your rules, he/she will... [17:29] In the real world, your "EB virtues" simply don't hold up. [17:29] The virtues of the real world are Power, Greed, and Individualism. Obviously YOU believe in these. [17:29] Unlike the 3 Earthbound virtues you previously proposed. [17:29] *** AcidPhire (AcidPhire@ABD8689D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:29] *** AcidPhire (AcidPhire@ABD8689D.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [17:30] *** AcidPhire (AcidPhire@ABD8689D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:30] *** Umi (firecat54@sdn-ar-004njhackP085.dialsprint.net) has joined #EBiscool [17:30] make up your mind. [17:30] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:30] Alright [17:30] message for those who just joined: [17:30] If you have anything important to say, msg me and I'll voice you. [17:30] But try to be mature about this. [17:31] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [17:32] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:32] Ness79, do you have something important to say? If so, I will voice you. [17:32] It seems that everyone is suddenly quiet... [17:32] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [17:32] ugh. [17:32] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:32] *** [Tga] (GameArchiv@ABDACACA.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:32] It seems that the conversation just died [17:32] Ok, imagine there's a business. Say there are departments, who each do their own special thing. If you gave each of the say, marketing people, a portion of the business, there'll be a good chance that they'll abuse it. If the marketing people had the skills to run the business, they'd be in management. [17:32] So basically, giving everyone a part of the site is like allowing prayer in schools: it may be a good idea, but then, by the "rights" of the teachers, they could start allowing Satan worship. And I'm out [17:32] *** EBGuru has quit IRC (Leaving) [17:33] whoa [17:33] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [17:33] *** [Tga] (GameArchiv@ABDACACA.ipt.aol.com) has left #EBiscool [17:33] *** DragnDyne (c_dyne99@1Cust112.tnt3.phoenix2.az.da.uu.net) has joined #EBiscool [17:33] it seems no one wishes to talk anymore.. [17:33] No one has anything more to say to Buzz-Buzz? [17:33] EBguru was absolutly right. [17:33] * GONEoft does stuff [17:34] Exactly. [17:34] *** Saboten (----@209-122-239-49.s303.tnt2.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:34] *** Buzz-Buzz has quit IRC (Baltimore-R.MD.US.Undernet.Org SaltLake.UT.US.UnderNet.Org) [17:34] oh jeez. [17:34] he split. [17:34] *** Ness79 (Jand5795@98CA4F2D.ipt.aol.com) has joined #EBiscool [17:34] ...about that programming thing, what's wrong with having people who know about computers? It's a website, after all... [17:34] Serves him right for using Baltimore [17:34] yeah, spaan. [17:34] Exactly. [17:35] well [17:35] The site wouldn't be where it is if Xod, tomato and mars couldn't do CGI. [17:35] I'm gonna take moderation off [17:35] *** Falcon24 sets mode: -m