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Maureen wrote

chandra, list...

> Maureen, having written a paper on it, (you did give out some points of what wrote), can you summarise your paper for me? >

well, the assignment was to specifically critically analyze a work wehad read. i chose araby becuz the adam and eve thing jumped out at me. i think i summarized it pretty well yesterday. i mean i just argued for why i think adam and eve was joyce's frame for the story and what i thought that meant in terms of how joyce was commenting on irish/christian culture. (the stiflement at the end being the result of what i call joyce's view of the strangulation of christian dogma).

>You see, for me who has read Joyce for the first time in Araby, this story is >a very well written love story. Nothing more, nothing less. Would that >summarisation be different if you read in between lines?

no, not different, just another way of reading the story, another way of interpreting it, side by side all of the other ways. what is it ruth said yesterday, art is what we think it is? or something like that? i think so too. your reading of it is whole and accurate and relevant, in my view. i have moved along a path with this story and as you have seen from my postings i wrestle with questions after now having read it 8 times, discussed it in classes, written about it academically and discussed it here. but that process, that metamorphosis is fun!! :-) and i am at a point with lit that i *can't* not read between the lines...

> Also, what place does Araby have among all of Joyce's works? Is it a >typical Joyce? Does his writing get - to a newbie like me - more difficult >when I go to his other works?

well, yea i think he does get tougher as we go along and that is why i had thought it best to start at the beginning of joyce. so that way, we progress along with him, on the same path of discovery he was on in reality. to my mind, that is how we get to know him, and as we all move along that path together, all of us will gain insights, learn about joyce, learn about christianity, learn about ireland and dublin, learn more about literature... yippee!! :-)

champa, i just snipped this because i thought it was really telling... "It makes me feel he is commenting on the religious dogmas that made one believe in something only to find out that he was deceived. It is also a commentary on the townpeople and perhaps their close mindedness - the blind street actually isvery telling."

...my view of joyce is that he spent his entire life commenting on precisely those two things, using dublin as his nucleus. :) the closed mindedness of the people of this town, we can extrapolate, bridge out, to all of ireland. yes, feeling that he had been deceived i think is a great way of putting how joyce felt about catholicism. we will see this very heavily in portrait, that is where he really brings to life that precise experience, that epiphany which is what led to his exile.

but that is a long way off!! unfortunately i had another revelation about araby which i will speak about momentarily... ;-)

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