Subject: RE: [evol-psych] Evolutionary psychology, dualism and ethics Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:21:20 +1000 From: "Hilary Fisher"To: My understanding of the naturalistic fallacy is that it is generally invoked to warn of the danger of deriving "ought" statements from "is" statements: Just because it happens in nature doesn't mean it's a good thing. Some of the current disagreement on this issue seems to arise from the converse of this. Evolutionary psychology, as a science, investigates what "is". The confusion seems to arise because what humans consider to be an "ought" is also an "is", one which is particularly relevant to evolutionary psychology. In other words, our normative feelings (rational or emotional) are something worthy of an attempt at explaining either as the product of biological or cultural evolution. However, we should be careful not to confuse an investigation or analysis of normative values with the imposing of our own normative values on the results of investigation or analysis. I agree with John Cartwright that: "If "ought" statements cannot be deduced, inferred or abstracted in some way from "is" statements, then where are ought statements obtained from? Pure logic and reason cannot by themselves, it seems to me, lead us to normative statements. They need something ( axioms, value statements, biological facts etc) to work upon." For this reason, there is an artificiality in the distinction, as our "ought" statements, are inevitability derived an "is" of some description be it an axiom, value statement or biological fact. However, in studying these "is"es it does well to remember the naturalistic fallacy to ensure that our own normative feelings do not add another layer to the mixture (as far as we are capable of doing this) ... or that when they do we make it clear that this is the case. Creeping out of long-time lurkdom, Hilary Fisher PhD Student and Associate Lecturer TC Beirne School of Law University of Queensland Australia