Subject: [evol-psych] 'oughts' & 'is'es Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:00:41 -0000 From: "Jack Parsons"To: "evolutionary psychology" Dear colleagues, Half of my degree was philosophy * but that was fifty years ago so it is with some trepidation that I now express my puzzlement -- not to mention a degree of irritation -- that this debate meanders on and on without a single hint of recognition of formal logic (an iron discipline?) or its main rules and concepts: universe of discourse, deduction v. induction, propositions, forms, symbolism, individuals, classes, major & minor premises, syllogisms, corollaries, validity, connotation, denotation, proof, etc. Surely all members of the list must know the famous traditional syllogism: 1) All men are mortal 2) Socrates is a man 3) Therefore Socrates is mortal In the absence of the major premise; 'All men ...' , it is formally illegitimate to deduce that 'Socrates is mortal', and this particular major premise came -- and could only come -- from induction, not deduction. Although it is true that all three propositions here are 'is'es, surely the general form must also apply to cases of 'is'es & 'oughts'. To take a contemporary example of some consequence; it is not logically permissible (getting an 'ought' from an 'is') to deduce from the minor premise: 'Ruthless terrorists have attacked and destroyed the World Trade Center with massive casualties.'; that: 'The Free World ought to unite, counter-attack and bring to justice (destroy?) these terrorists and all who support them, whoever they are wherever they are located.' In the absence of a preceding (and true) major premise (such as; 'The Free World always bands together to defend itself against terrorist attacks', an 'is') this 'deduction' (an 'ought', which may or may not have a lot going for it) is logically invalid. The possible major premise just stated is obviously untrue so perhaps we need a different one, eg 'The Free World ought to band together ... etc'. But then we immediately come up against the problem of justifying this 'ought' , which again, cannot be obtained from any number of 'is'es without a process of induction. Logical deduction will never do the trick. Ergo: 'oughts' can never be rigorously deduced from 'is'es. QED? Best wishes to all. Jack P. * The other half was Political Science. Jack Parsons Former lecturer, Brunel, Cardiff, & Exeter universities. Occas. consultant to BP, IPPF, IUCN, OXFAM, & other bodies. Advisory ed. Population and Environment. Memb. Population Working Group; Hon. Adviser, European Pherology Organisations Confederation (EPOC). Hon. Associate, The Rationalist Press Association.Hon. Life Memb., Centre for Alternative Technology (CAT); Patron, The Optimum Population Trust Main Pubs.: (2002) An updated 4th edition of the 1998 book (below) will be soon be published in interactive form on CD. (2000) The Reverend T.R. Malthus. Demi-devil, Saint, or Merely Great Benefactor? A Cardiff University monograph. (1998) Human Population Competition. A Study of the Pursuit of Power Through Numbers. 2 vols. Orig. pub. by the Edwin Mellen Press of Lewiston, NY. (Out of print since 2000) (1977) Population Fallacies. London. Pemberton/Elek. (1971) Population Versus Liberty. London. Pemberton Books. Last two still in print, copies avail. fr. author.