From: "Phil Roberts, Jr." Subject: Re: materialism sucks Date: 1997/04/13 Message-ID: <33512B43 Mark P. Line wrote: > > Ken Morton wrote: > > > I think the analogy with water may break down here. (Please bear with > > me, I didn't get much sleep last night). First, can't we infer things > > about the mind by observing behavior (which would include listening to > > people talk about the "content" of their mind)? > > We can try. The best a person seems to be able to do in this regard is > to capture what appear to be correlations between her _own_ behavior (as > perceived by herself) and her _own_ mind (as perceived introspectively), > and to ASSUME that those correlations apply to other people as well. > It's a well-known observation that such correlations do not always > correspond to inferences made by others about that person's mental > goings-on, based on her behavior. > > I don't know of any way of generalizing (in the scientific sense) > such apparent correlations to subjects other than oneself. > I do. Here's a synopsis. Is a Science of the Mind Possible? A Critique of Empirical Methodology, Synopsis: "Of all the endeavors to expand the frontiers of knowledge, none has yielded so little to the organizing functions of the human mind as the study of the mind itself." And yet, some of the misgivings about psychology have been founded upon erroneous assumptions. In particular, the belief that mental events are unsuitable as data because they can't be empirically (i.e., publicly) observed is rendered vacuous by the realization that many observations and experiments in the physical sciences are conducted by isolated individuals working in total privacy. Verification is obviously more a manifestation of a collective faith in inter-subjective reproducibility (facilitated by the intra-taxonomic order heretofore apparent in natural kinds) than a matter of public demonstration. As such, there would seem little reason in principle for treating first hand introspective observations of mental events as methodologically inferior to so-called empirical observations of physical events, so long as they can pass the muster of reproducibility. Ah! But there's the rub. Unlike oxygen, honey bees and Mustang convertibles, in humans there is a considerable amount of individualization, no doubt resulting from nature's increased reliance on imagination and judgement (reasoning). But since this is an order problem rather than a privacy problem, the solution is, not to banish introspection, but to differentiate (stratify) between the more evolved individualized features (specific reasoning, specific higher emotional behavior, etc.) and the more mechanical, isomorphic processes lower in the evolutionary scheme of things (perception, fear, anger, etc.). Once accomplished (e.g., Diagram I), the individualization can then be dealt with by applying corresponding amounts of abstraction and generalization to those features (both thought and behavior) where individualization can be presumed to be most rampant (Diagram II). For example, individualized conclusions for why one selected product A over product B could not serve as a data base, whereas feelings of anger, worthlessness, etc. (enduring structures) could. I am conscious in myself of a series of facts connected by an uniform sequence, of which the beginning is modifications of my body, the middle is feelings, the end is outward demeanour. Experience (with intra-taxonomic order throughout the rest of nature), therefore, obliges me to conclude that there must be an intermediate link; which must either be the same in others as in myself, or a different one; By supposing the link to be of the same nature (see my diagrams)....I conform to the legitimate rules of experimental enquiry (John Stuart Mill). Diagram I Phylogeny of Psychical Function Organic Kingdom Cognitive Functions (phylum) Conative Functions (phylum) Reasoning (class) Higher Emotion (class) (homo sapiens) (homo sapiens) Categorical and causal assoc- Self-worth (ego) related need and iations employing individual disorder(depression, suicide, etc imagination and judgement. serving no obvious biological Highly individualized. purpose. Specific objectives and behavior highly individualized and frequently involved with abstract notions(love, honor, purpose, etc). Conditioning (class) Lower Emotion (class) Contiguity associations. Some Short term motivational states degree of individualization (fear, anger, sexual arousal, etc) resulting from variations in serving obvious biological purpose. environmental experience. Non-volitional psychical states evoked by singular relatively well ^ more evolved functions ^ defined events (stimuli), with ^ more individualization ^ some degree of individualization v less evolved functions v superimposed on stereotyped v less individualization v evoking events and responses. (more isomorphism) Perception (class) Pain and Pleasure (class) Stereo-typical associations Short term stereotypd motivational of stable low level states resulting from biologically information significant tactile experience. ^ observed functions (introspection) ^ v inferred functions v Instinctive Functions (phylum) Likely progenator of cognitive and conative functions found in the human psyche. Highest probability of psychical isomorphism inferred from isomorphic behavior within classifications of lower animals. Inorganic Kingdom Postulated pan-psychism as proto-mental origin of observed functions. Extreme isomorphism likely and inferred from isomorphic behavior within classifications of inorganic matter. Diagram II The Domains of Credibility pertaining to the kinematics (thought and behavior) of systems at the holistic level of description ^ ^ | n more evolved | o functions c | n (individual- r | c ization) e | r physical events d | e psychical events less evolved (behavior) i | d (thought) functions b | i (isomorphism) l | b v e | l v | e IIa. Behaviorist/Positivist Conception highest degrees of generalization in descriptions statements, theories, etc. about member of a class ^ ^ least credible (gradient) more evolved - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - functions (individual- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ization) physical events psychical events - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - less evolved (behavior) (thought) functions - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (isomorphism) v - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - v most credible (gradient) highest degrees of specificity in descriptions statements, theories, etc. about members of a class IIb. Revised Conception Full paper available from my web site. -- Phil Roberts, Jr. Feelings of Worthlessness from the Perspective of So-Called Cognitive Science http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5476