Subject: Re: Q. on Penrose arg: why new *physics*? From: "Phil Roberts, Jr."Date: 1997/08/04 Message: 33e64ff7 JRStern wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:58:27 -0400, "Phil Roberts, Jr." > wrote: > > >JRStern wrote: > >> The physical science explanation is a possibility. Penrose attempts > >> to cut off all other possibilities with his Godelian arguments, which > >> are invalid, inapplicable, and inappropriate, but make good cocktail > >> chatter in certain circles. > > > >Oh yea. And with the minor aside that there is now empirical evidence > >to corroborate his position (feelings of worthlessness). > > Surely you aren't serious? > Yep! And don't call me Shirley! _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Rational Negativism: A Divergent Theory of Emotional Disorder Objective: To account for self-worth related emotion (i.e., needs for love, acceptance, moral integrity, recognition, achievement, etc.) and emotional disorder (e.g., depression, suicide, etc.) within the context of an evolutionary scenario. Observation: The species in which rationality is most developed is also the One in which individuals have the greatest difficulty in maintaining an adequate sense of self- worth, often going to extraordinary lengths in doing so (e.g., Evel Knievel, celibate monks, self-endangering Greenpeacers, etc.). Hypothesis: Rationality is antagonistic to psychocentric stability (i.e., maintaining an adequate sense of self-worth). Explanation: In much the manner reasoning allows for the subordination of lower emotional concerns and values (pain, fear, anger, sex, etc.) to more global concerns (i.e., concern for the self as a whole), so too, these more global concerns and values can themselves become reevaluated and subordinated to other more global, more objective considerations. And if this is so, and assuming that emotional disorder emanates from a deficiency in self-worth resulting from precisely this sort of experiencially based reevaluation, then it can reasonably be construed as a natural malfunction resulting from One's rational faculties functioning a tad too well. Normalcy and Disorder: Assuming this is correct, then some explanation for the relative "normalcy" of most individuals would seem necessary. This is accomplished simply by postulating different levels or degrees of consciousness. From this perspective, emotional disorder can then be construed as a valuative affliction resulting from an increase in semantic content in the engram indexed by the linguistic expression, "I am insignificant", which all persons of common sense "know" to be true, but which the "emotionally disturbed" have come to "realize", through abstract thought, devaluing experience, etc. Implications: So-called "free will" and the incessant activity presumed to emanate from it is simply the insatiable appetite we all have for self-significating experience which, in turn, is simply nature's way of attempting to counter the objectifying influences of our rational faculties. This also implies that the engine in the first "free-thinking" artifact is probably going to be a diesel. Additional Implications: Since the explanation I have proposed amounts to the contention that the most rational species (presumably) is beginning to exhibit signs of transcending the formalism of nature's fixed objective, it can reasonably be construed as providing evidence and argumentation in support of Lucas (1961). Not only does this imply that the aforementiOned artifact probably won't be a computer, but it would also explain why a question such as "Can Human Irrationality Be Experimentally Demonstrated?" (Cohen, 1981) has led to controversy, in that it presupposes the possibility of an absolute answer to that which can only be addressed in relative terms. -- Phil Roberts, Jr. Feelings of Worthlessness from the Perspective of So-Called Cognitive Science http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5476