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Green Gerg
User ID: 0081374 May 31st 5:28 PM
Just got this e-mail from George:

Subj: ebay
Date: 5/31/00 6:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: GeoRR
To: Green Gerg

After some consideration, I have decided against putting a copy of manuscript up on ebay next month after all. Thought I should pass that decision along, since I mentioned the possibility to you the other day.

I may offer a copy of the manuscript =after= the book comes out, for those who like to collect such things, but not before.

GRRM

I asked him if he was confident that the July UK release date would hold, and will relay his response when it comes.....

Ran
User ID: 0867924 Jun 6th 5:37 PM
Ahh, just reminded me.

I got their response today. The representative there said that August was indeed the date they have in their database, but did say that it was of course subject to change.

So, don't know . . . Guess we'll have to wait awhile more and stay in suspense. Maybe ask GRRM in a week or two, see if there are any changes. It could be that the decision to do all-new maps, rather than cribbing from Bantam's, has pushed the schedule back a month.

BTW, speaking of the maps, in my mails with GRRM about heraldry recently he makes mention of the new maps. Apparently he's been giving thought to the issue of cities and castles and towns, because the new maps will attempt to differentiate them.

He says there are five full-fledged cities: KL and Oldtown are much bigger than Lannisport, which in turn is much bigger than Gulltown and White Harbor.

Eventually I'll get the latest batch of information up on the SSM collection, but the heraldry has been keeping us busy. :)

(Oh, yeah: GRRM says a lot of people die in _A Storm of Swords_. Heh.)

labor
User ID: 0798784 Jun 6th 7:03 PM
Hm... No city in Dorne? That's strange considering their flourishing wine-trade and general nearness to the Free Cities.

Looks like the Manderlys should be the richest northern lords, alright...

BTW, only 5 cities on the territory of South America seems very thin, even for mediaval times...

Ran
User ID: 0867924 Jun 6th 7:20 PM
The richest beneath the Starks, in any case.

He could very well add more cities. But those five are the ones who have been mentioned in the books so far. I shouldn't be surprised if Dorne will come up with a city.

I suspect GRRM envisions Westeros as having a stronger presence of towns (most castles seem to have a town of some sort attached to them, for example -- even Winterfell, the last place one might have expected one all considered) but that urbanization has been heavily curtailed by the nobility (because large urban communities will always demand political power.)

Very different dynamics, in any case. I think by the end of the series, we might have gotten enough details to do more than just guess at how these developments worked.

Markus
User ID: 8820133 Jun 6th 8:42 PM
FWIW, Voyager Australia has _A Storm of Swords_ among their July titles.

Of course, they could just be behind, information wise, or they might want to publish ASoS without any new maps.

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Green Gerg User ID: 0081374	May 31st 5:28 PM Just got this e-mail from George: Subj: ebay Date: 5/31/00 6:06:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: GeoRR To: Green Gerg After some consideration, I have decided against putting a copy of manuscript up on ebay next month after all. Thought I should pass that decision along, since I mentioned the possibility to you the other day. I may offer a copy of the manuscript =after= the book comes out, for those who like to collect such things, but not before. GRRM I asked him if he was confident that the July UK release date would hold, and will relay his response when it comes.....
Ran User ID: 0867924	Jun 6th 5:37 PM Ahh, just reminded me. I got their response today. The representative there said that August was indeed the date they have in their database, but did say that it was of course subject to change. So, don't know . . . Guess we'll have to wait awhile more and stay in suspense. Maybe ask GRRM in a week or two, see if there are any changes. It could be that the decision to do all-new maps, rather than cribbing from Bantam's, has pushed the schedule back a month. BTW, speaking of the maps, in my mails with GRRM about heraldry recently he makes mention of the new maps. Apparently he's been giving thought to the issue of cities and castles and towns, because the new maps will attempt to differentiate them. He says there are five full-fledged cities: KL and Oldtown are much bigger than Lannisport, which in turn is much bigger than Gulltown and White Harbor. Eventually I'll get the latest batch of information up on the SSM collection, but the heraldry has been keeping us busy. :) (Oh, yeah: GRRM says a lot of people die in _A Storm of Swords_. Heh.)
labor User ID: 0798784	Jun 6th 7:03 PM Hm... No city in Dorne? That's strange considering their flourishing wine-trade and general nearness to the Free Cities. Looks like the Manderlys should be the richest northern lords, alright... BTW, only 5 cities on the territory of South America seems very thin, even for mediaval times...
Ran User ID: 0867924	Jun 6th 7:20 PM The richest beneath the Starks, in any case. He could very well add more cities. But those five are the ones who have been mentioned in the books so far. I shouldn't be surprised if Dorne will come up with a city. I suspect GRRM envisions Westeros as having a stronger presence of towns (most castles seem to have a town of some sort attached to them, for example -- even Winterfell, the last place one might have expected one all considered) but that urbanization has been heavily curtailed by the nobility (because large urban communities will always demand political power.) Very different dynamics, in any case. I think by the end of the series, we might have gotten enough details to do more than just guess at how these developments worked.
Markus User ID: 8820133	Jun 6th 8:42 PM FWIW, Voyager Australia has _A Storm of Swords_ among their July titles. Of course, they could just be behind, information wise, or they might want to publish ASoS without any new maps.