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Ran
User ID: 0867924 Apr 13th 4:42 PM
This topic is dedicated to discussing GRRM's other works, from short stories to novels. What follows at first will be my moving disparate threads to this venue. So, it'll be a bit sequential, but it should be useable.

-GANDOR-
User ID: 0038914 Jun 19th 10:58 AM
Omer- Do yourself a favor and get the rest of the Wild Cards books! The series only gets better. Sadly, it seems like there will be no more in the series. The last part of the series (Card Sharks Trilogy) was very good, but there are still a lot of loose ends.

Omer
User ID: 9551723 Jun 19th 1:53 PM
Gandor - I certainly intend to read all the books. However, I want them to last until A Dance with Dragons will come out. OK, that's not realistic, but at least until the year 2002. Since I'm such a hud=ge admirer of Martin's, I need a semi-monthly fix of his work. And since he wrote half of Dead Man's Hand or so I gather, It'll be fun to read that as a birthday present to my self, November 14th. So I'll wait for a bit.

Are you interested in dicussing Wild Cards? if you are, please email me([email protected]), gimmie your email, or enroll to the onelist list.

gad
User ID: 8736803 Jul 3rd 4:51 AM
got hold of "dying of the light" last week. I rushed the first reading and am now rereading it.

Omer, although I generally prefer well written fantasy to well written sf (and despise the shlock pulp which is turned out in mass in both genres) I now understand your hope that Martin one day returns to writing sf. His imaginded universes are just so well realised.

I also noticed themes in the book which reoccur in ASoIaF (primarily, the foreboding of long winter). Does anyone else, when reading the other works, get the feeling that Martin was somehow destined to write an epic on the scale of ASoIaF?

kli
User ID: 8527773 Aug 14th 1:55 PM
I'm not sure I knew he was gonna write an historical fantasy/epic, but I knew he was more than capable of it. As you work your way through the novels and the short stories, look for the clues that tell you almost all of them are set in the same universe. I'm betting that the "First Men" are somehow related to the "Avalon" settlers. And you'll notice that in his universe, gods always come in sevens. But I have it from the source himself that The Sept are *NOT* The Seven (as if you couldn't tell by the absense of Bakalon. ;-)

BTW, my favorite of Martin's short stories (fine as "Sandkings" is) is "The Lonely Songs of Laren Dorr." (found in the Songs of Stars and Shadows and Portraits of His Children collections). Great for any fan of Fire and Ice.

Good biblio at the ISFDB http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb/search.html)

Lodengarl
User ID: 0798784 Aug 15th 8:09 AM
Here is the Bibliography i use for GRRM...it seems totally complete.

http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb-bin/exact_author.cgi?George_R._R._Martin

kli
User ID: 8527773 Aug 15th 2:14 PM
That's the one. I just thought I'd send the URL for the isfdb's search form in case people were interested in looking up other authors as well.

Rania
User ID: 0283314 Aug 15th 11:12 PM
Ijust read "Dying of the Light" and I thought it was absolutely terrific.
And I also found another homage in the heraldry / names of Houses in Westeros.
Lymond Vikary.

kli
User ID: 8527773 Aug 16th 5:14 PM
Rania, have you found ARMAGEDDON RAG or FEVRE DREAM, yet? Those used to be my default Martin recommends until this Ice & Fire series came along...

Rania
User ID: 0283314 Aug 16th 5:23 PM
No Kli, Dying of the Light is the first non-ASOIAF by GRRM that I had ever read. I just got Fevre Dream from the library and am about to sit down and read it.

kli
User ID: 8527773 Aug 16th 6:52 PM
Oh, to be able to read FEVRE DREAM again for the first time... lucky lucky you! I'd recommend, if you can find them, a bunch of the short story anthologies, too. The balance in the anthologies is more straight-sf/dark fantasy. TUF VOYAGING reads kind of like a novel, but was actually written as a series of magazine stories and then collected. The WILD CARDS stuff probably doesn't depend on a love and knowledge of superhero comics, but it doesn't hurt any. And the Turtle stories are *great*.

Kil
User ID: 0283314 Aug 16th 7:39 PM
Are the Wild Card books supposed to be read in any order?

Rania
User ID: 0283314 Aug 16th 7:42 PM
Kil, I apologize taht was me using your name. As Ran will probably tell you , I do that a lot, all of it untintentionally. I do apologize .

GreenGerg
User ID: 0896204 Aug 17th 11:33 AM
In my quest to find more GRRM stuff I've never read before, I won something on eBay yesterday: a sci-fi TV script he penned in the 1990s called "Starport." If anyone else here is interested in reading it when I'm done, e-mail me.
I am also bidding on a short novel he did I'd never heard of before called "The Pear-Shaped Man."

kli
User ID: 8527773 Aug 17th 1:05 PM
S'okay, Rania. I'll just claim it was the Klingon Language Institute, not me. :-) The WILD CARD stuff *is* serial, but GRRM, while he edited the entire series, didn't contribute to every volume. I used to flip through the TOC of each volume before buying to see if GRRM had written any of it. I wouldn't say you *have* to read them in order, but you should probably try to read Vol. 1 first, because it has the most origins and explanations in it.

Rania Aug 17th 1:18 PM
Kli,�Which oneis volume 1? I just finished Fevre Dream, and I did like it I am just not that much of a horror fan, I loved Abner Marsh and Joshua York . but as a whole Dying of the Light is still my favorite.

kli
User ID: 8527773 Aug 17th 3:27 PM
Volume 1 is the one that says "Volume 1" on it. <grin>. It doesn't have a subtitle, like all the other volumes. I would say find the other all-GRRM stuff before starting in on WILD CARDS, though. The WC stuff is relatively minor compared to, say, TUF VOYAGING (hard sf), ARMAGEDDON RAG (modern fantasy), or any of the short story anthologies (hard sf). The main reason I went gaga over Wild Cards is because I've been a comics fan for 20+ years. Cripes, I still remember when ARMAGEDDON RAG came out, and Chris Claremont planted "Nazgul" in-jokes (not the Tolkien Nazgul, the GRRM Nazgul--a rockband that names itself after things Tolkien) in the X-MEN comic!

Son of Hot Pie!!!
User ID: 0303694 Aug 21st 1:25 AM
Rania,

I just got DYING OF THE LIGHT in the mail today.
Should I rush to open it and read it right away? :)

Enjoyed FEVRE DREAM; good pacing and great characters (especially Marsh who made me laugh in several places with his gruff nature) . . . nice twist on vampires . . . enjoyed it more than Anne Rice's first vampire book.

Also read SANDKINGS two days ago and enjoyed.

Altough, fantasy is my favorite region, so I am much more partial to his ASOS.

Son of Hot Pie!!!
User ID: 0303694 Aug 21st 1:31 AM
One other things . . . there seems to no longer be
any capability in forming a new topic.

I tried to start a new Recommended Reading VIII b/c I wanted to see if anyone had read Ann Marston's RUNEBLADE series . . . saw it on Amazon through a link.

So, how does one form a new topic now or can only the OPs do it?

Thanks.

Son of Hot Pie!!!
User ID: 0303694 Aug 21st 1:03 PM
Never mind . . . I found recommended reading VIII . . . thanks.

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Ran User ID: 0867924	Apr 13th 4:42 PM This topic is dedicated to discussing GRRM's other works, from short stories to novels. What follows at first will be my moving disparate threads to this venue. So, it'll be a bit sequential, but it should be useable.
-GANDOR- User ID: 0038914	Jun 19th 10:58 AM Omer- Do yourself a favor and get the rest of the Wild Cards books! The series only gets better. Sadly, it seems like there will be no more in the series. The last part of the series (Card Sharks Trilogy) was very good, but there are still a lot of loose ends.
Omer User ID: 9551723	Jun 19th 1:53 PM Gandor - I certainly intend to read all the books. However, I want them to last until A Dance with Dragons will come out. OK, that's not realistic, but at least until the year 2002. Since I'm such a hud=ge admirer of Martin's, I need a semi-monthly fix of his work. And since he wrote half of Dead Man's Hand or so I gather, It'll be fun to read that as a birthday present to my self, November 14th. So I'll wait for a bit. Are you interested in dicussing Wild Cards? if you are, please email me([email protected]), gimmie your email, or enroll to the onelist list.
gad User ID: 8736803	Jul 3rd 4:51 AM got hold of "dying of the light" last week. I rushed the first reading and am now rereading it. Omer, although I generally prefer well written fantasy to well written sf (and despise the shlock pulp which is turned out in mass in both genres) I now understand your hope that Martin one day returns to writing sf. His imaginded universes are just so well realised. I also noticed themes in the book which reoccur in ASoIaF (primarily, the foreboding of long winter). Does anyone else, when reading the other works, get the feeling that Martin was somehow destined to write an epic on the scale of ASoIaF?
kli User ID: 8527773	Aug 14th 1:55 PM I'm not sure I knew he was gonna write an historical fantasy/epic, but I knew he was more than capable of it. As you work your way through the novels and the short stories, look for the clues that tell you almost all of them are set in the same universe. I'm betting that the "First Men" are somehow related to the "Avalon" settlers. And you'll notice that in his universe, gods always come in sevens. But I have it from the source himself that The Sept are NOT The Seven (as if you couldn't tell by the absense of Bakalon. ;-) BTW, my favorite of Martin's short stories (fine as "Sandkings" is) is "The Lonely Songs of Laren Dorr." (found in the Songs of Stars and Shadows and Portraits of His Children collections). Great for any fan of Fire and Ice. Good biblio at the ISFDB http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb/search.html)
Lodengarl User ID: 0798784	Aug 15th 8:09 AM Here is the Bibliography i use for GRRM...it seems totally complete. http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb-bin/exact_author.cgi?George_R._R._Martin
kli User ID: 8527773	Aug 15th 2:14 PM That's the one. I just thought I'd send the URL for the isfdb's search form in case people were interested in looking up other authors as well.
Rania User ID: 0283314	Aug 15th 11:12 PM Ijust read "Dying of the Light" and I thought it was absolutely terrific. And I also found another homage in the heraldry / names of Houses in Westeros. Lymond Vikary.
kli User ID: 8527773	Aug 16th 5:14 PM Rania, have you found ARMAGEDDON RAG or FEVRE DREAM, yet? Those used to be my default Martin recommends until this Ice & Fire series came along...
Rania User ID: 0283314	Aug 16th 5:23 PM No Kli, Dying of the Light is the first non-ASOIAF by GRRM that I had ever read. I just got Fevre Dream from the library and am about to sit down and read it.
kli User ID: 8527773	Aug 16th 6:52 PM Oh, to be able to read FEVRE DREAM again for the first time... lucky lucky you! I'd recommend, if you can find them, a bunch of the short story anthologies, too. The balance in the anthologies is more straight-sf/dark fantasy. TUF VOYAGING reads kind of like a novel, but was actually written as a series of magazine stories and then collected. The WILD CARDS stuff probably doesn't depend on a love and knowledge of superhero comics, but it doesn't hurt any. And the Turtle stories are great.
Kil User ID: 0283314	Aug 16th 7:39 PM Are the Wild Card books supposed to be read in any order?
Rania User ID: 0283314	Aug 16th 7:42 PM Kil, I apologize taht was me using your name. As Ran will probably tell you , I do that a lot, all of it untintentionally. I do apologize .
GreenGerg User ID: 0896204	Aug 17th 11:33 AM In my quest to find more GRRM stuff I've never read before, I won something on eBay yesterday: a sci-fi TV script he penned in the 1990s called "Starport." If anyone else here is interested in reading it when I'm done, e-mail me. I am also bidding on a short novel he did I'd never heard of before called "The Pear-Shaped Man."
kli User ID: 8527773	Aug 17th 1:05 PM S'okay, Rania. I'll just claim it was the Klingon Language Institute, not me. :-) The WILD CARD stuff is serial, but GRRM, while he edited the entire series, didn't contribute to every volume. I used to flip through the TOC of each volume before buying to see if GRRM had written any of it. I wouldn't say you have to read them in order, but you should probably try to read Vol. 1 first, because it has the most origins and explanations in it.
Rania	Aug 17th 1:18 PM Kli,�Which oneis volume 1? I just finished Fevre Dream, and I did like it I am just not that much of a horror fan, I loved Abner Marsh and Joshua York . but as a whole Dying of the Light is still my favorite.
kli User ID: 8527773	Aug 17th 3:27 PM Volume 1 is the one that says "Volume 1" on it. <grin>. It doesn't have a subtitle, like all the other volumes. I would say find the other all-GRRM stuff before starting in on WILD CARDS, though. The WC stuff is relatively minor compared to, say, TUF VOYAGING (hard sf), ARMAGEDDON RAG (modern fantasy), or any of the short story anthologies (hard sf). The main reason I went gaga over Wild Cards is because I've been a comics fan for 20+ years. Cripes, I still remember when ARMAGEDDON RAG came out, and Chris Claremont planted "Nazgul" in-jokes (not the Tolkien Nazgul, the GRRM Nazgul--a rockband that names itself after things Tolkien) in the X-MEN comic!
Son of Hot Pie!!! User ID: 0303694	Aug 21st 1:25 AM Rania, I just got DYING OF THE LIGHT in the mail today. Should I rush to open it and read it right away? :) Enjoyed FEVRE DREAM; good pacing and great characters (especially Marsh who made me laugh in several places with his gruff nature) . . . nice twist on vampires . . . enjoyed it more than Anne Rice's first vampire book. Also read SANDKINGS two days ago and enjoyed. Altough, fantasy is my favorite region, so I am much more partial to his ASOS.
Son of Hot Pie!!! User ID: 0303694	Aug 21st 1:31 AM One other things . . . there seems to no longer be any capability in forming a new topic. I tried to start a new Recommended Reading VIII b/c I wanted to see if anyone had read Ann Marston's RUNEBLADE series . . . saw it on Amazon through a link. So, how does one form a new topic now or can only the OPs do it? Thanks.
Son of Hot Pie!!! User ID: 0303694	Aug 21st 1:03 PM Never mind . . . I found recommended reading VIII . . . thanks.