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cgob
User ID: 0053014 Sep 25th 1:21 PM
Hello all. Please pardon me somewhat if this question has been posted before but I couldn't seem to find it after lurking for at least 20 min.

Has anyone noticed the similarities in style as well as looks between Jordan and Martin? Both use similar narrative styles and by golly they both have beards! Could the reason it took 4 years for Path of Daggers to come out be because of SoIaF? Maybe he(them it,her,etc) is pulling a King/Bachman.

Reasons they could be the same person.
1.both use split narrative style and character development.
2. both have beards.
3. both are "big" men (at least in the photos)
4. both are devilishly good
5. both use the cliffhanger technique
6. it makes a great internet rumor.

Thanks...Great board by the way...Top 10 lists are great.

Sincerely cgob

Dirjj
User ID: 0094674 Sep 27th 9:19 PM
Not that again!!!!

Hey I loved LORD OF CHAOS, well, I loved the end of it atleast. It was awesome. It made me shiver inside.

ab

Swithin
User ID: 0443584 Sep 27th 10:38 PM
12. In Marin's books, oddly enough, it's the MEN who clutch their arms under their breasts all the time!

Emily - it is truly a pleasure to meet you. I've been looking through some older posts... Why have you not brought your wisdom to this board on a regular basis!?

I know it's off topic, but you said somewhere that you like Doctor Who. Personally, I believe Tom Baker is best with Peter Davison a moderate second. What's your take? Also, promise not to laugh, but my favorite show of all time is... Blake's 7! What a wonderful show! Are you cognizant?

Vale,
Swithin

Omer
User ID: 0485244 Sep 28th 3:37 AM
Dirj - me too! I meant to right, accept for Lord of Chaos, which was good. Lord of Chaos is my favorite of the six WoT books I've read. It had action, it had a plot, it had pretty good character work, and it had a really tense ending.

Sure enough, though, it had the usuall Jordan nonesense and Egween becomming Emirlin(sp?) was REALY stupid.

Min
User ID: 1446254 Sep 29th 4:28 AM
I never said Jordan was a bad writer. I just said he lost his storyline. Would Martin deliberately let go of his storyline? No way.

Kay-Arne's beard somehow troubles me, too. But HAIR ON JEFF's BACK? Sorry for shouting, but that was just too much. You were a marine, Jeff! You back's supposed to be... well, dunno. Not haired, for sure.
To soothe matters, I hereby announce that I have neither a beard nor hair on my back. Nor anywhere else Kay or Jeff will soon suggest. Does that help?

KAH
User ID: 9209903 Sep 29th 7:58 AM
Not _anywhere_ else?

Ooooh... ;o)

Emily
User ID: 9872353 Sep 29th 8:35 AM
KAH - well, with half the population of this board suddenly sprouting goatee beards, your modest facial growth is now the least of my problems. Thank the gods that my mental view of Jeff has always had him in full armour, so the hairness of his back is a matter of supreme indifference to me.

Min - didn't you get the feeling (just a tiny, almost infinitesimal feeling) in ACOK that Martin was letting go of his storyline? Well, that he was going on a bit? *Ducks*

Omer and Dirjj, I have to agree about Lord of Chaos. Seldom have I been so shocked as when I reached the ending, in which Rand did NOT duel a Foresaken like the previous five endings.

Swithin - pleasure to meet you too (even with the goatee). I HAVE brought my wisdom (ah, your words are music to my ears) to this board on a fairly regular basis, I've just been a bit quiet recently because I've been spending more time with my family and my work...OK, I'm lying through my teeth, I've just been spending more time with the Doctor Who and Melanie Rawn bulletin boards.

Tom Baker is obviously THE greatest thing since multi-party democracy, but Peter Davison only comes 6th with me. Blake's 7 (valiantly abstaining from sniggering) - well, it's tolerable. I wouldn't spit on anything created by Terry Nation.

Go to:

http://www.nitcentral.com/discus/

and we can have a proper conversation about Doctor Who...and there's also a Blake's 7 board there in dire need of your contributions.

Jeff
User ID: 0227464 Sep 29th 8:41 AM
<<sigh>> I think the hairy back thing had a little more life than I thought it would. Ok, there truly is no hair on my back.

Uh, I just posted somewhere else that though I have no hair on my back, I do have a lot growing out of my ears. I suppose I should disavow that as well.

I had hoped to stimulate some other self-depratory humorous comments, but no luck. So now I'm stuck out there as a guy with a forest on my back and squirrel tails growing out of my ears.

KAH
User ID: 9209903 Sep 29th 8:54 AM
Jeff, don't you know that people will always view any self-depratory humorous comments as the ultimate truth, while all disavowing of such is met with snide scepticism?

In other words, I want irrefutable proof. :o)

That means that Emily has to go and take photos of you, so that I know the shots haven't been messed with.
Else, I will for the future have to refer to you as 'Hairy-ear'. :o)

Min
User ID: 1446254 Sep 29th 10:26 AM
I just can see Emily, at a photo-shooting with Jeff, him all bare-backed, revealing the jungle that grows right there, and Emily, murmuring frantically to herself: "Where is that armor? Where did he leave this armor?"

Jeff, you are becoming a weakling. First you admitted you did something wrong, now you admitted there's hair on your back - and in your ears! Yak! You make mistakes! Where is the ironmen who so cleverly insulted me - or tried to?

:-)

Jeff
User ID: 0227464 Sep 29th 10:29 AM
Unfortunately, you are correct. Very well then. I suppose I might as well continue being a hairy backed, hairy-eared neanderthal with tremendous body odor and disgusting teeth, lumbering around in gleaming plate armor.

I suppose I might be able to get a part as an orc in the upcoming LOTR movie, eh? :)

Watcher
User ID: 7761613 Sep 29th 10:46 AM
Uh, Jeff.. Neanderthal's didn't make plate armor. They never got past "me make fire" stage. Which means your naked, which is way more then I can handle at breakfast time, mainly because of your hairy back and ears. blah...

I shouldn't say anything, my hair line stopped receding before it got to the women-think-it-sexy-Jon Luc Bicard stage. Which only leaves me two options either have one side really long to comb over the bald spot in a pathetic attempt into fool people that I really have hair. Or thank the person that made shaving-your-head-and-not-be-thought-of-as-a-neo-
nazi semi-popular among the Gen-X crowd.

Oh, yeah I can't have any facial hair at this time:( Which is, of course, why I'm not a writer.

Min
User ID: 1446254 Sep 30th 11:08 AM
well, watcher, facial hair makes baldness look even more stupid ;-)))

Kay, that does NOT excuse your beard.

Jeff, are you ill? Do you have problems? Can I help you? I mean, I wrote _that_ and you didn't try to turn me to dust with your comments... I am worried about you! Need some salt for your tongue?

Are you blond or dark-haired, btw? I _need_ to give all this amount of hair on you a colour.

;-)

Jeff
User ID: 0227464 Sep 30th 11:27 AM
Min, you witless woman, if you had half a brain you would have noticed that my post and yours occurred at almost the same time. My response was directed to KAH's post, not to yours. So this is my first opportunity to respond to your drivel. Which, as usual, lacks any subtlety or cleverness.

I have represented myself for humorous purposes as hairy-backed and hairy-eared, with body odor, etc. All completely untrue. It does not bother me in the least to make such comments because I am quite comfortable with my true appearence. I think that people who are confident about their appearence have no need to broadcast it to others.

Which brings me to you, Min, my Teutonic goddess of cellulite. You have described yourself as a sexy, leather-clad woman in her twenties with a nice "rack". I wonder. Would a woman who truly fit that description feel the need to advertise it on a board? I'm guessing a one-legged, morbidly obese, 76 year old ex-madam with a mustache and varicose veins.

Ah, it feels good to let the salty tongue fly! :-)). I give it a B+.

Swithin
User ID: 0443584 Sep 30th 1:31 PM
Jeff... that was incredible! Can you do that at will!? Ascerbic wit indeed!

Dirjj
User ID: 0094674 Oct 1st 10:54 PM
Heck, my minds still wandering over the locations of hair and non-hair on Min. He he he he

ab

Min
User ID: 9433023 Oct 2nd 10:38 AM

I _have_ to admid that the teutonic goddess of cellulite was priceless. I bow my head in recognition of the old, good, hideous Jeff with the salty tongue. :-)

As for the image you so brilliantly depicted: That was not me who made it up, but Kay-Arne. Why _he_ likes to imagine me leather-clad, I wonder. But I will not deliberately plunge into the abyss of Kay's morbid imagination.

As for your imagination: How morbid _that_ is, we all can tell by your posts. I would not dare to call you witless, as you already proved otherwise. But your wit and imagination seems to be directed at old, cellulite-covered witches. I am truly sad to see a bright brain lost so deeply in perversities of _that_ sort.

I can see now why you keep on calling Sandor a child-molester, knowing that your sexual preferences are on women well past their seventies. Every one having a crush on women younger than 40 _must_ be a child-molester in your eyes, then.

It often seems that genius and madness are separated just by a thin line. And I am truly sorry to tell you that you seem to have crossed the border. I can give you the phone-number of a good psychiatrist, if you like.

Just friendly and caring, as ever.

KAH
User ID: 9209903 Oct 2nd 12:01 PM
Morbid imagination???

Hey, if imagining women with absolutely no hair on their bodies clad in leather and fondling cat o'nine tails isn't _normal_, I don't know what is!

Or have I got it all wrong? Is it Jeff's ideals that are the norm here? Must I find my pleasure in grossly fat, retired, nose-haired women to be accepted by society?

Well, then, I'll name myself a freak and be _proud_ of it! And you...you can all stick your nose where the sun doesn't shine, because I'm _out of here_! I'll leave to some more _tolerant_ place, like Teheran!

Henceforth, I shall be known as Kay-Arne, the Pink Unicorn!

*Puts on pink horse costume and straps on dildo to forehead, triumphantly gallops out of message board*

Watcher
User ID: 1118614 Oct 2nd 2:12 PM
Min, I'll add you name to the small, very small, minintory of women that won't come up and rub my head after a couple of Guinness. Of course having 300 pound* people rubbing my head doesn't feed my ego as much as having "sexy, leather-clad woman in her twenties
with a nice "rack"" does.

*136 kilograms for non-Americans, unlike NASA I can convert between the Enlgish and Meteric system.

KAH
User ID: 9209903 Oct 2nd 3:09 PM
I heard whispers about that on a ng...what did they crash; a satelite?

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cgob User ID: 0053014	Sep 25th 1:21 PM Hello all. Please pardon me somewhat if this question has been posted before but I couldn't seem to find it after lurking for at least 20 min. Has anyone noticed the similarities in style as well as looks between Jordan and Martin? Both use similar narrative styles and by golly they both have beards! Could the reason it took 4 years for Path of Daggers to come out be because of SoIaF? Maybe he(them it,her,etc) is pulling a King/Bachman. Reasons they could be the same person. 1.both use split narrative style and character development. 2. both have beards. 3. both are "big" men (at least in the photos) 4. both are devilishly good 5. both use the cliffhanger technique 6. it makes a great internet rumor. Thanks...Great board by the way...Top 10 lists are great. Sincerely cgob
Dirjj User ID: 0094674	Sep 27th 9:19 PM Not that again!!!! Hey I loved LORD OF CHAOS, well, I loved the end of it atleast. It was awesome. It made me shiver inside. ab
Swithin User ID: 0443584	Sep 27th 10:38 PM 12. In Marin's books, oddly enough, it's the MEN who clutch their arms under their breasts all the time! Emily - it is truly a pleasure to meet you. I've been looking through some older posts... Why have you not brought your wisdom to this board on a regular basis!? I know it's off topic, but you said somewhere that you like Doctor Who. Personally, I believe Tom Baker is best with Peter Davison a moderate second. What's your take? Also, promise not to laugh, but my favorite show of all time is... Blake's 7! What a wonderful show! Are you cognizant? Vale, Swithin
Omer User ID: 0485244	Sep 28th 3:37 AM Dirj - me too! I meant to right, accept for Lord of Chaos, which was good. Lord of Chaos is my favorite of the six WoT books I've read. It had action, it had a plot, it had pretty good character work, and it had a really tense ending. Sure enough, though, it had the usuall Jordan nonesense and Egween becomming Emirlin(sp?) was REALY stupid.
Min User ID: 1446254	Sep 29th 4:28 AM I never said Jordan was a bad writer. I just said he lost his storyline. Would Martin deliberately let go of his storyline? No way. Kay-Arne's beard somehow troubles me, too. But HAIR ON JEFF's BACK? Sorry for shouting, but that was just too much. You were a marine, Jeff! You back's supposed to be... well, dunno. Not haired, for sure. To soothe matters, I hereby announce that I have neither a beard nor hair on my back. Nor anywhere else Kay or Jeff will soon suggest. Does that help?
KAH User ID: 9209903	Sep 29th 7:58 AM Not _anywhere_ else? Ooooh... ;o)
Emily User ID: 9872353	Sep 29th 8:35 AM KAH - well, with half the population of this board suddenly sprouting goatee beards, your modest facial growth is now the least of my problems. Thank the gods that my mental view of Jeff has always had him in full armour, so the hairness of his back is a matter of supreme indifference to me. Min - didn't you get the feeling (just a tiny, almost infinitesimal feeling) in ACOK that Martin was letting go of his storyline? Well, that he was going on a bit? Ducks Omer and Dirjj, I have to agree about Lord of Chaos. Seldom have I been so shocked as when I reached the ending, in which Rand did NOT duel a Foresaken like the previous five endings. Swithin - pleasure to meet you too (even with the goatee). I HAVE brought my wisdom (ah, your words are music to my ears) to this board on a fairly regular basis, I've just been a bit quiet recently because I've been spending more time with my family and my work...OK, I'm lying through my teeth, I've just been spending more time with the Doctor Who and Melanie Rawn bulletin boards. Tom Baker is obviously THE greatest thing since multi-party democracy, but Peter Davison only comes 6th with me. Blake's 7 (valiantly abstaining from sniggering) - well, it's tolerable. I wouldn't spit on anything created by Terry Nation. Go to: http://www.nitcentral.com/discus/ and we can have a proper conversation about Doctor Who...and there's also a Blake's 7 board there in dire need of your contributions.
Jeff User ID: 0227464	Sep 29th 8:41 AM <<sigh>> I think the hairy back thing had a little more life than I thought it would. Ok, there truly is no hair on my back. Uh, I just posted somewhere else that though I have no hair on my back, I do have a lot growing out of my ears. I suppose I should disavow that as well. I had hoped to stimulate some other self-depratory humorous comments, but no luck. So now I'm stuck out there as a guy with a forest on my back and squirrel tails growing out of my ears.
KAH User ID: 9209903	Sep 29th 8:54 AM Jeff, don't you know that people will always view any self-depratory humorous comments as the ultimate truth, while all disavowing of such is met with snide scepticism? In other words, I want irrefutable proof. :o) That means that Emily has to go and take photos of you, so that I know the shots haven't been messed with. Else, I will for the future have to refer to you as 'Hairy-ear'. :o)
Min User ID: 1446254	Sep 29th 10:26 AM I just can see Emily, at a photo-shooting with Jeff, him all bare-backed, revealing the jungle that grows right there, and Emily, murmuring frantically to herself: "Where is that armor? Where did he leave this armor?" Jeff, you are becoming a weakling. First you admitted you did something wrong, now you admitted there's hair on your back - and in your ears! Yak! You make mistakes! Where is the ironmen who so cleverly insulted me - or tried to? :-)
Jeff User ID: 0227464	Sep 29th 10:29 AM Unfortunately, you are correct. Very well then. I suppose I might as well continue being a hairy backed, hairy-eared neanderthal with tremendous body odor and disgusting teeth, lumbering around in gleaming plate armor. I suppose I might be able to get a part as an orc in the upcoming LOTR movie, eh? :)
Watcher User ID: 7761613	Sep 29th 10:46 AM Uh, Jeff.. Neanderthal's didn't make plate armor. They never got past "me make fire" stage. Which means your naked, which is way more then I can handle at breakfast time, mainly because of your hairy back and ears. blah... I shouldn't say anything, my hair line stopped receding before it got to the women-think-it-sexy-Jon Luc Bicard stage. Which only leaves me two options either have one side really long to comb over the bald spot in a pathetic attempt into fool people that I really have hair. Or thank the person that made shaving-your-head-and-not-be-thought-of-as-a-neo- nazi semi-popular among the Gen-X crowd. Oh, yeah I can't have any facial hair at this time:( Which is, of course, why I'm not a writer.
Min User ID: 1446254	Sep 30th 11:08 AM well, watcher, facial hair makes baldness look even more stupid ;-))) Kay, that does NOT excuse your beard. Jeff, are you ill? Do you have problems? Can I help you? I mean, I wrote _that_ and you didn't try to turn me to dust with your comments... I am worried about you! Need some salt for your tongue? Are you blond or dark-haired, btw? I _need_ to give all this amount of hair on you a colour. ;-)
Jeff User ID: 0227464	Sep 30th 11:27 AM Min, you witless woman, if you had half a brain you would have noticed that my post and yours occurred at almost the same time. My response was directed to KAH's post, not to yours. So this is my first opportunity to respond to your drivel. Which, as usual, lacks any subtlety or cleverness. I have represented myself for humorous purposes as hairy-backed and hairy-eared, with body odor, etc. All completely untrue. It does not bother me in the least to make such comments because I am quite comfortable with my true appearence. I think that people who are confident about their appearence have no need to broadcast it to others. Which brings me to you, Min, my Teutonic goddess of cellulite. You have described yourself as a sexy, leather-clad woman in her twenties with a nice "rack". I wonder. Would a woman who truly fit that description feel the need to advertise it on a board? I'm guessing a one-legged, morbidly obese, 76 year old ex-madam with a mustache and varicose veins. Ah, it feels good to let the salty tongue fly! :-)). I give it a B+.
Swithin User ID: 0443584	Sep 30th 1:31 PM Jeff... that was incredible! Can you do that at will!? Ascerbic wit indeed!
Dirjj User ID: 0094674	Oct 1st 10:54 PM Heck, my minds still wandering over the locations of hair and non-hair on Min. He he he he ab
Min User ID: 9433023	Oct 2nd 10:38 AM I _have_ to admid that the teutonic goddess of cellulite was priceless. I bow my head in recognition of the old, good, hideous Jeff with the salty tongue. :-) As for the image you so brilliantly depicted: That was not me who made it up, but Kay-Arne. Why _he_ likes to imagine me leather-clad, I wonder. But I will not deliberately plunge into the abyss of Kay's morbid imagination. As for your imagination: How morbid _that_ is, we all can tell by your posts. I would not dare to call you witless, as you already proved otherwise. But your wit and imagination seems to be directed at old, cellulite-covered witches. I am truly sad to see a bright brain lost so deeply in perversities of _that_ sort. I can see now why you keep on calling Sandor a child-molester, knowing that your sexual preferences are on women well past their seventies. Every one having a crush on women younger than 40 _must_ be a child-molester in your eyes, then. It often seems that genius and madness are separated just by a thin line. And I am truly sorry to tell you that you seem to have crossed the border. I can give you the phone-number of a good psychiatrist, if you like. Just friendly and caring, as ever.
KAH User ID: 9209903	Oct 2nd 12:01 PM Morbid imagination??? Hey, if imagining women with absolutely no hair on their bodies clad in leather and fondling cat o'nine tails isn't _normal_, I don't know what is! Or have I got it all wrong? Is it Jeff's ideals that are the norm here? Must I find my pleasure in grossly fat, retired, nose-haired women to be accepted by society? Well, then, I'll name myself a freak and be _proud_ of it! And you...you can all stick your nose where the sun doesn't shine, because I'm _out of here_! I'll leave to some more _tolerant_ place, like Teheran! Henceforth, I shall be known as Kay-Arne, the Pink Unicorn! Puts on pink horse costume and straps on dildo to forehead, triumphantly gallops out of message board
Watcher User ID: 1118614	Oct 2nd 2:12 PM Min, I'll add you name to the small, very small, minintory of women that won't come up and rub my head after a couple of Guinness. Of course having 300 pound* people rubbing my head doesn't feed my ego as much as having "sexy, leather-clad woman in her twenties with a nice "rack"" does. *136 kilograms for non-Americans, unlike NASA I can convert between the Enlgish and Meteric system.
KAH User ID: 9209903	Oct 2nd 3:09 PM I heard whispers about that on a ng...what did they crash; a satelite?