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Quoting Terence Brown

Joyce & Yeats

Doubting Thomas

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A little cloud

 

OK, another late night msg. This time re: Yeats, about whom I admittedly know very little. I'm half-heartedly searching for something he might have written about celestial phenomena--eclipses and the like. Are you a Yeatsian scholar enough to tell me if this book of poetry/essays/? exists or if I'm off my rocker? If the latter, blame the guy who told me as the whole street turned out to watch a lunar eclipse across the bay. wonderful experience, but we were all so entranced we talked to strangers and exchanged weird world eclipse lore.

Thanks again!

--Beth

Maureen,

A spirited defence of Yeats, I must admit! Well done! I thank you for educating us - certainly me - in detail about Yeats.

But does it matter what Joyce thinks of Yeats? It mattters only to those people who consider Joyce is a "god" and so whatever comes out of his pen is sacred truth, and it matters to those who consider Yeats as a "god" because then they would not tolerate blasphemy. For people like us who worship neither Joyce nor Yeats, I would say let each person indulge in his/her own fantasies. Okay, calling names or passing judgements could often be dangerous as it could infleuence others.. I could say of this of everybody, and not only about Yeats and Joyce.

If it is true - we have no way of knowing what truth is ;-) - that Joyce wrote A Little Cloud to express his low opinion of the poets propagating Celtic Twilight school, then let us take it as being one view expressed by Joyce. It would be interesting to read his letters / biography though to know what he thought about this school. Just from a historical point of view.

My reason for posting that summary was to show that it is important to know the time period during which a story is written. If one understands that one reads the story on a different level. I would never have connected Little Chandler to a poet of Yeats school, not having known that period of Irish history. As you said let us not put too much weight on Joyce's opinion (as put forward by Terence Brown).

I particularly liked your saying:

> at some point after we have gotten thru joyce, we should think about
> switching over to yeats for a time. he is as important as joyce and
> more beloved to the irish because he loved ireland and his heart was
> with the concerns of the indigenous irish catholic and our plight(s).

I second your proposal whole- but heavyheartedly! (because it means that I have to maintain the Joyce website for another 20 years, at least!)

Chandra

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