They Made a Lampshade Out of My Grandfather

In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] wrote:
> Boreal Lynx wrote:
> >
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > [email protected] says...
> > >
> > >Israel doesn't have the death penalty.
> >
> > Israel, by government policy, applies the death penalty frequently
> > to Arabs - in Israel, the occupied Arab lands or abroad.
>
> Actually the Arabs love suicide as martyrdom gets them 70 virgins
> and `16 young fairhaired boys in paradise. Otherwise I don't know
> why they insist on running in front of Israel guns. Just a crazy
> people I guess.

To imagine that flocks of beautiful women await a hero after his
death--that is a rather ordinary myth and it is easy to see how such
legends could arise.  It may be a popular myth, but it is not as
effective as you pretend: else the Palestinians would long ago have
vanished from the Earth at the hands of their willing executioners.

But let us contrast that with the Israeli enthusiasm for insisting
their grandfathers were herded passively to their deaths.  We are told
endlessly that to avoid a bullet, many pre-Israelis would offer up
their own wives and children, pushing them into gas chambers and
hauling their bodies out afterward to be burned.

In a sensational reversal of normal human emotions, the Israeli takes
violent personal offense on the mere suggestion that his grandfather
might NOT have been utterly degraded and humiliated.  A current
monument proposed to commemorate the history of the pre-Israelis
depicts a shelf of a million books dedicated to their craven and
disgusting cooperation in their own demise.  Here, a grandfather
crawled on his belly and ate excrement to avoid being shot.  There, he
participated in medical atrocities on his comrades and family to avoid
other unnamed discomforts for himself.  Later he was killed by some
other grandfather's treachery and cowardice.  His skin was made into a
lampshade and his bones into xylophones and flutes to accompany
subsequent marches of degraded ancestors into the gas chambers and
ovens.

The Israeli insistence upon these myths of his origin carries a power
and intensity difficult for the Western mind to understand.  To the
Israeli, denying his "Holocaust" is an offense against him, his race
generally, all of humanity, human memory, the universe, and God
Himself.  It is a theological blasphemy.  And where it has been
possible, the Israelis have made such denial a criminal offense.

It cannot be characterized as anything other than an anthropological
freak.  Its unnatural reversal might be compared to the semi-mythical
legends in Marco Polo.  Polo told of a tribe of people on the Asian
Steppes who were so fanatical in their hospitality to strangers, they
would move out of their homes and insist the guests move in and use
the wives, children, and property as their own while they were in
town.

But the Israeli is not a myth.  They are a very real modern day people
who insist upon, revel in, make movies about, even wallow in their
legends.  They have become quite creative in the invention of
atrocities suffered by their grandfathers or themselves as children,
fanatically insisting upon the utter truth of every word of their
tales, and pretending to believe completely the stories they are told
by their fellows.

Some scholars suggest that the Holocaust, with freak shows, shrunken
heads, impossible stories, and horrific details, draws on the carnival
tradition.  They back this parallel with the evidence of hundreds of
billions of dollars in foreign aid, guilt money, Hollywood revenue,
and direct gifts that have resulted from the selling the Holocaust.
This is an admittedly cynical thesis, but it fills a vacuum of
explanation in this anthropological curiosity.

More study is certainly in order.

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 28 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,alt.california

In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] wrote:
> > > Actually the Arabs love suicide as martyrdom gets them 70
> > > virgins and `16 young fairhaired boys in paradise. Otherwise I
> > > don't know why they insist on running in front of Israel
> > > guns. Just a crazy people I guess.
> >
> > To imagine that flocks of beautiful women await a hero after his
> > death--that is a rather ordinary myth and it is easy to see how
> > such legends could arise.  It may be a popular myth, but it is not
> > as effective as you pretend: else the Palestinians would long ago
> > have vanished from the Earth at the hands of their willing
> > executioners.<
>
> I guess you don't watch much TV. A few months back "60 Minutes" had
> an interview with a Hamas terrorist sitting in an Israeli jail who
> was talking about the young teenager who had carried out the mission
> of blowing himself up together with a bunch of Israelis. He was
> saying EXACTLY that, that the boy was lucky because he was now in
> heaven with the virgins. And just this week, veteran anchorwoman
> Dianne Sawyer interviews an Arab man who rejoiced on camera in
> having killed his sister for having dishonored the family. SHe was
> RAPED and so she had to be killed. Sawyer was totally freaked
> out. SHE was RAPED so SHE had to be killed ???????? The Guy was
> sitting there, with a huge smile pasted on his face, telling Dianne
> how happy he, and his father, and his other sisters ( who were
> sitting nearby on camera) were that he had blown her away. This was
> in an interview in Jordan, which is a fairly "moderate" Arab
> state. I know in Beersheba, Israel where I lived for a number of
> years, often times the Israelis have to imprison brothers and
> fathers for this.
>
> Either you don't know the Arab mentality or you are pulling my
> chain.  I'm not sure which.
>
> > But let us contrast that with the Israeli enthusiasm for insisting
> > their grandfathers were herded passively to their deaths.  We are
> > told endlessly that to avoid a bullet, many pre-Israelis would
> > offer up their own wives and children, pushing them into gas
> > chambers and hauling their bodies out afterward to be burned.<
>
> Well you are a lying fuck. That's what you are. Sorry I almost took
> you seriously.

Oh no, I am sorry to inform you, this is one of the popular motifs
that appears in many stories of the Holocaust cycle.

According to the official accounts, the Holocaust was announced
broadly and publicly well in advance--"ausrotten" could mean only
death by extermination (according to the official accounts), and that 
was the word used in those Nazi public speaches.  You must believe 
Holocaust historians.

Yet only the Warsaw Ghetto fought back against the Germans, we are
told.  Other Jews escaped like mice into the walls or waited passively
with their families for the gas vans to arrive at the front door.
Neighbors disappeared regularly, but the good Jewish citizens waited
patiently and peacefully for the SS to come calling.

Fathers were "forced" to commit atrocities on other prisoners and
family members.  Slave workers discovered their wives and parents
among the bodies they were hauling out of the gas chambers (while they
smoked or ate sandwiches) and impassively continued the work.
Ridiculous souvenirs were made of human body parts, fit for P. T.
Barnum's tents.

It is all there, and it is too late to recover the dignity of those
who have sold the honor of their ancestors for 30 shekels of silver.
Others have tried to tell the stories of Jewish partisans who fought
back against the Germans on their march across Eastern Europe, but the
Holocaust priesthood will have none of it.  It interferes with the
theme of the "stainless victims" whose passing stilled the songbirds
in the skies and chilled the springtime crocus.  Even to this day, it
is said, dogs will not go near certain camps, seeming, in their
bestial hearts, to understand the tragic deaths of God's only beloved
Children.

Maybe it is, as some say, only the depravity of a ruined people in the
presence of a little money.  Like Mexican boys selling their sisters
into prostitution, like Chinese peasants selling their daughters into
slavery, the Israeli sells the honor of his ancestors.

After all, it doesn't really hurt anyone, does it?  These invented
stories of death, torture, and depravity--most of the participants are
already dead.  A billion here, a billion there, surely we should not
to begrudge a little money in return for a healthy guilt complex.

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 30 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,alt.california
In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] wrote:
> > > Either you don't know the Arab mentality or you are pulling my
> > > chain.  I'm not sure which.
> > >
> > > > But let us contrast that with the Israeli enthusiasm for
> > > > insisting their grandfathers were herded passively to their
> > > > deaths.  We are told endlessly that to avoid a bullet, many
> > > > pre-Israelis would offer up their own wives and children,
> > > > pushing them into gas chambers and hauling their bodies out
> > > > afterward to be burned.<
> > >
> > > Well you are a lying fuck. That's what you are. Sorry I almost
> > > took you seriously.
> >
> > Oh no, I am sorry to inform you, this is one of the popular motifs
> > that appears in many stories of the Holocaust cycle.
> >
> > According to the official accounts, the Holocaust was announced
> > broadly and publicly well in advance--"ausrotten" could mean only
> > death by extermination, and that was the word used in those Nazi
> > public speeches.
> >
> > Yet only the Warsaw Ghetto fought back against the Germans, we are
> > told.  Other Jews escaped like mice into the walls or waited
> > passively with their families for the gas vans to arrive at the
> > front door.  Neighbors disappeared regularly, but the good Jewish
> > citizens waited patiently and peacefully for the SS to come
> > calling.<
>
> I see. Those stupid cowardly Jews.

I don't understand why you take that attitude.  Some Jews are very
smart people, and some are very courageous.  You would NOT know it by
the tales the Holocaust lobby tells, however.  The Holocaust lobby
slanders the Jews terribly, saying utterly damning things about them.

And now you too.  Are you a member of the Holocaust lobby?

> Incidentally, do you know how many fathers in this country are
> routinely rounded up and herded into jails for non-child support
> payments?

Court orders for child support require that one divorced parent write
big value checks to the other divorced parent. Are you surprised that
the system fails regularly?

This is hardly an indicator of the love and loyalty these parents feel
for their children.  In fact, a number of these parents defy court
orders and risk criminal prosecution by "kidnapping" their own
children so they can raise them as they think proper.

The fact that these people risk and suffer jail sentences on behalf of
their children is evidence of their courage, not their cowardice.

> Do you know what the ATF often routinely does in this country?

Only a few things.  Check out
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum

> But I bet you would have been one of those big heroes and stood up
> to the Nazis, huh?

One can never say until it happens.  I would certainly never tells
degrading lies about my grandfather.  But if he had committed those
cowardly acts, I would certainly not boast of the fact publicly, make
movies and publish books about him, or force the school children to
memorize his treachery.  It is the Holocaust lobby's obsession with
this nonsense that stands as a puzzle to other nations.

Why do they invent these stories and insist that everyone take them
seriously?

> > Fathers were "forced" to commit atrocities on other prisoners and
> > family members.  Slave workers discovered their wives and parents
> > among the bodies they were hauling out of the gas chambers (while
> > they smoked or ate sandwiches) and impassively continued the work.
> > Ridiculous souvenirs were made of human body parts, fit for P. T.
> > Barnum's tents.<
>
> Yeah, you would have scratched the Nazi's eyes out, I bet.  Or maybe
> you'd have gone into a kung fu routine and scared them.

A careful examination of the Nazi records shows that the Nazis had
very real strategic reasons for herding the Jews into camps and for
killing them in the fields in their march across western Russia.  The
Jews were a powerful political force against Germany, and a serious
nuisance on the field of battle, even as guerrilla partisans. If
anyone is degrading the memory of the dead, it is the Holocaust lobby
who pretend that Jews were just lambs to the slaughter.

You ignore the fact that the World Jewish Congress declared war on
Germany long before 1941 when the Holocaust is supposed to have
started.  They worked actively to overthrow the German government,
just as they had overthrown the Russians and established the Soviet
state.

> > It is all there, and it is too late to recover the dignity of
> > those who have sold the honor of their ancestors for 30 shekels of
> > silver.  Others have tried to tell the stories of Jewish partisans
> > who fought back against the Germans on their march across Eastern
> > Europe, but the Holocaust priesthood will have none of it.  It
> > interferes with the theme of the "stainless victims" whose passing
> > stilled the songbirds in the skies and chilled the springtime
> > crocus.  Even to this day, it is said, dogs will not go near
> > certain camps, seeming, in their bestial hearts, to understand the
> > tragic deaths of God's only beloved Children.
> >
> > Maybe it is, as some say, only the depravity of a ruined people in
> > the presence of a little money.  Like Mexican boys selling their
> > sisters into prostitution, like Chinese peasants selling their
> > daughters into slavery, the Israeli sells the honor of his
> > ancestors.
> >
> > After all, it doesn't really hurt anyone, does it?  These invented
> > stories of death, torture, and depravity--most of the participants
> > are already dead.  A billion here, a billion there, surely we
> > should not to begrudge a little money in return for a healthy
> > guilt complex.<
>
> Do you know what the heck you're talking about, 'cause I sure don't.

I surely do.  I am talking about a whole nation of people (Israel) who
tell disgusting lies about history in order to blackmail the rest of
the world into giving them money.  Some who are familiar with the
truth of the "Holocaust" call it the Hollow Hoax.

It is long past time that Israel recognize the heroes in their own
ancestry and stop defaming them.

It is time to cease this stupid defilement of the German nation, to
admit the lies of wartime propaganda foisted on the world, and to
allow the Germans to know that they were not spawned by a race of
monsters.

And it is time that Israel drop this bogeyman Nazi Hitler business,
pretending they have to police the whole world or we will all turn
into mass murderers with nothing but Jewish blood on our minds.  The
Israelis have become professional paranoids, and I am afraid most
Euro-Americans are turning into enablers, keeping the blinds drawn,
tippy-toeing around the ward, and crawling under the bed every time
the foil ground strap comes loose on the Israeli beanie.

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 04 Feb 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.california,talk.politics.mideast

In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>   [email protected] (dltjxx) wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote...
> > >>But I bet you would have been one of those big heroes and stood
> > >>up to the Nazis, huh?  Yeah, you would have scratched the Nazi's
> > >>eyes out, I bet.  Or maybe you'd have gone into a kung fu
> > >>routine and scared them.
> >
> > Nah, he'd bow down to the Nazis, then flip up his petticoats, and
> > presented them with his well-plumbed rectum -- just like his
> > mother did. Too bad your dog isn't a woman, Slade, you could post
> > about your sex life.
> >
>
> Slade, you must be getting close to the scene of the accident,
> judging from how shrill the sirens are . . . The response of
> "Deborah," is pitiful.  You make perfectly sensible points and "she"
> responds with that rubbish.
>
> In fact, though, the holocaust lobby must be getting desperate.
> Their lies and tyrannical, terrorist mentality have been exposed
> thoroughly on Usenet in the last years.  We can expect them to have
> their sock-puppet, Defense Secretary William COHEN, declare martial
> law.  Matter of fact, maybe Cohen and his crowd will even engineer
> the slaughter of some innocent Jews next time.  That way all kinds
> of undesirables, like maybe you, Slade, can be imprisoned or
> otherwise shut down as anti-Semites who provoke terrorism.

Well, now.  That brings us right back to the original theme of this
discussion: The persecution and genocide of modern Hebrews (who are
now called "Palestinians" and "Arabs") by the Eastern European Khazars
(who now call themselves "Jews").

Disapproving of this very real event is "ant-semitic."  Isn't that
cute?  But I digress.

> Cohen's masters are getting ready for it.  They will probably get
> the US Special Operations and/or an Israeli commando unit or their
> contractors to pull off another "terrorist" stint.  Did you know the
> holocaust lobby was knee-deep in the OKC bombing?  Yeah, they tried
> to smear David Irving by getting another of their puppets (McVeigh's
> lawyer) tell the press Irving may have supplied the fuse . . .

David Irving supplied the fuse for the OKC bombing?  That's rich.

It is all of a piece.  Say something they don't like, and they'll use
any slander that's handy.  This discussion of the historical "Jews" in
Germany contrasted with the Holocaust lobby stories, for instance.
"Deborah" apparently can't deal with it, so instead she pulls out a
load of sodomy nonsense.  Out of nowhere.

Wonder how much of the Iraqu "crisis" is just this kind of doctored
complaint, and what is really hidden under all the "weapons of mass
destruction" sirens?

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 20 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,alt.california

In article <[email protected]>,
  "Stan Engel" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote in message
>
> >I wonder if you also exclude the sinking of the US Ship Liberty?
>
> >Were the Liberty sailors throwing stones at the Israeli police?
>
> No, the Liberty was 12.5 nautical miles from El arish, a known
> combat zone, during the 6 day war. They were quite close to a war
> zone and unfortunately got blasted. Tragic, but that's what
> happened.
>
> Certain members of the USS Liberty crew have spent the last 30 years
> in perpetual victimhood.

That is a nasty characterization of the publication of an atrocity.
It is particularly poignant in consideration of the source and the
context.

Shall we put you down as a person who characterizes all concern with
historical wrongs as "perpetual victimhood"?

We shall be looking forward to the news that you have just picketed
the Holocaust Memorial Museum in your neighborhood with a large sign
stating that you object to "perpetual victimhood".

It should vault you instantly into your coveted 15 minutes of fame.

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 16 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,soc.culture.british,alt.california

In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] wrote:
> Why don't you take your filth back to Mecca and give us a sporting
> chance to finish off you and your religion all in one fell swoop by
> a nuclear strike.  Nusrat Rizvi

I thank you for your corroboration of the original post.  If anyone
had doubts, if anyone wondered at the harsh portrait painted of your
people, let them now be satisfied that yes, there are some among your
number who revel in the evil and the viciousness practiced in the name
of Israel.

The truth is, as a people, you have done little to lay claim to the
world's pitty or compassion in the Holocaust.  When will you be paying
reparations for the torture, death, and rapine you have sewn in the
Middle East?

When will you be opening your bank safes and your national treasury to
pay for your racism, your extremism, and your attempts to exterminate
a people who had no quarrel with you?

Will you be dragged to a war crimes tribunal, tortured until you
confess, then hanged, gagging and screaming to pay for your crimes?

You have helped to set the standard.  Let us see if you can live by
it.

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 20 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast

In article <[email protected]>,
  "Stan Engel" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Matt Giwer, writing under the stupid alias of
> [email protected] wrote in message <[email protected]>...
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> >  [email protected] wrote:
> >> Why don't you take your filth back to Mecca and give us a
> >> sporting chance to finish off you and your religion all in one
> >> fell swoop by a nuclear strike.  Nusrat Rizvi
>
> >I thank you for your corroboration of the original post.  If anyone
> >had doubts, if anyone wondered at the harsh portrait painted of
> >your people, let them now be satisfied that yes, there are some
> >among your number who revel in the evil and the viciousness
> >practiced in the name of Israel.
>
> >The truth is, as a people, you have done little to lay claim to the
> >world's pitty or compassion in the Holocaust.  When will you be
> >paying reparations for the torture, death, and rapine you have sewn
> >in the Middle East?
>
> >When will you be opening your bank safes and your national treasury
> >to pay for your racism, your extremism, and your attempts to
> >exterminate a people who had no quarrel with you?
>
> >Will you be dragged to a war crimes tribunal, tortured until you
> >confess, then hanged, gagging and screaming to pay for your crimes?
>
> >You have helped to set the standard.  Let us see if you can live by
> >it.
>
> Uhhh, Matt? You seem to be operating under a serious
> misapprehension.  Nusrat Rizvi is most probably an Aryan.

You can tell that by his ridiculous screen name??  Boy are you good!

> He comes from India. From what I can tell, he appears to be Hindu.

Ibid.

> He definitely does not appear to be Jewish. Not too many Jews in
> India.
>
> Ever see those idols with lots of arms? That's not part of the
> Jewish religion. Really, it's not.

Religion and race are two different things.  So are screen names.
Really, they are.

And incidentally, the name "Matt" does not appear anywhere in my
message, nor in my signature.  My name is not "Matt."

Really it is not.

How about pulling your head out of your race/religious studies long
enough to notice a threat to use atomic weapons on civilians?  Does
that make a blip on your radar?

Or do you still think "denying the Holocaust" is the greatest crime on
Earth?

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Vanessa Redgrave
Date: 16 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast,alt.california

In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] (dltjxx) wrote:
>
> The Jews were fighting to bring into Israel the survivors of Hitler,
> who, after years in the Nazi death camps, ...

Isn't that a great line?  "... years in Nazi death camps."

You have to wonder what kind of "death camps" would keep people alive
for years, then do such a botched job that FOUR MILLION survivors
would be left around to claim compensation from the German government.

Death by rocking chair, I guess.  It's not fast, but it's sure.

> Deborah

--Slade

From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Jews To Snatch Hard Drives in Canada
Date: 01 Dec 1998 00:00:00 GMT
Newsgroups: qc.politique,can.politics,can.gov.general,bc.general

In article <[email protected]>,
  [email protected] (TIMOTHY GUEGUEN) wrote:
> Carol A. Valentine ([email protected]) wrote:
> : Jews To Snatch Hard Drives In Canada
>
> : Well, all right.  It's the "Canadian" authorities who will do the
> : actual work for Jews.  But snatch hard drives they will, just to
> : stop the truth about the holocaust from getting out.

It is worthy of note how heavily these guys read INTO things in order
to find anti-Semitism:

> Yawn.  More tedious bigotry from yet another stupid antisemite.

There is no bigotry in the above statements.  There is no
anti-Semitism.  These are plain statements of fact, and the drivers
behind these censorship laws are clearly Jewish.

But it obviously frightens you when someone points out the origin of
this odious tyranny.  It must be that it disturbs your anti- goyim
paranoia.

> Frankly I can never understand why creeps like you deny the
> Holocaust when you want to see Jews done away with anyways.

Since you never met the lady, how could you possibly know WHAT she
wants?  Ah, it is your anti-goyim paranoia talking, again.  Excuse me
for noticing.

But you are quite correct in pointing out the paradox in the current
Jewish Liturgy of Paranoia.  If anyone REALLY had Holocaust ambitions,
they would be applauding the story of the Nazi Holocaust, not denying
it.

According to the ADL, every Holocaust denyer begins and ends the day
with this little mantra:

    It didn't happen, nobody tried to do it, it doesn't make sense,
    ... and if I get the chance I'll do it again!

This doesn't make sense: it is a contradiction.  The human mind would
say either:

    It almost worked, and next time it will.

Or

    It didn't happen, nobody tried to do it, it doesn't make sense,
    ... and I wish the Jews would shut up, stop squeezing people for
    money over this nonsense, and just go on with their lives.

The real paradox is the B'Nai Brith matra, the one we hear in the
paper EVERY day, on the newsgroups, on television, in the public
schools, in your face, in your face ...

    They made a lampshade out of my grandfather, and anyone who says
    otherwise must hate me.  They say there was no Holocaust because
    they hate me.  They want to kill me.  If I don't stop them from
    talking to each other, they are going to conspire against me and
    kill me.  They'll put me in a gas chamber, they'll shrink my head,
    they'll take the gold out of my teeth.  They hate me because I am
    a Jew, and they will kill me the first chance they get.  They use
    hidden code words for their hatred and they disguise it in a
    hundred ways, but I know the codes.  Even though they smile at me
    and pretend to say nice things, I can read their real intentions,
    and I know they have only one purpose in life: to kill the Jews!
    That's all they want!  They want to kill me!

Poor little pathetic creatures.  Imagine making of your life a cage of
insaninty in order to justify the tyranny for which you thirst.

There is none so full of hatred as those draw their daily nourishment
from thoughts of how badly they have been treated.  Never mind that it
cauterizes every wellspring of joy within the human soul.  Never mind
that every other human being becomes a target or a tool for wreaking
redress.

It is the original Faustian bargain.  For from such fire billows as
smoke an unquenchable thirst for revenge, a source of infinite
resolve, a sword of unflagging energy, and a shield against the
debilitating vapors of self-doubt and self-recrimination.

But then, since the ADL staff are paid to be paranoid and crazy, why
should they, um, change their minds?

--Slade